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I think there are some alternatives others can suggest--you can actually buy some gluten free breads in various places (likely if you're in a larger city. I live in a pretty small town, and we have a bakery here which specializes in all kinds of gluten free foods. They also supply a lot of the restaurants in town, including some of the very expensive winery restaurants, so it's really a matter of seeking them out where you are, cause you never know).

If you are going to be treated with classical homeopathy and your doctor is well trained (just cause he teaches, doesn't mean classical homeopathy is a specialty he's studied, so really, double check) the food issues will resolve and you'll be able to eat wheat foods again, but you really should choose carefully and avoid the refined grains even when you're well as that's what causes the problems with wheat and gluten for most people. I know the "test" doesn't measure your ability to digest refined and denatured wheat: you get sensitivities and allergies to wheat because it's refined forms are practically nutrientless, and they actually repeatedly strip nutrients out of your body, which undermines you to the point where you have sensitivities and finally, allergies. Whole grains that are properly processed include all the nutrients you need to actually use and digest the grain--so you gain from it, instead of being constantly depleted by it. No need for the body to produce an immune response to the grain when that happens.

If your ND is not a classical homeopath, then you'll do well with nutritional changes and supports from supplements and botanical medicine systems he's knowledgeable about. You should only get one homeopathic remedy at a time, with one single ingredient: you take only as much of that as needed: if you get something with a long list of remedies, it's not homeopathy, and it isn't curative (in fact, it's often dangerous because it complicates your illness in a way that is extremely difficult to fix later). If that's what you're presented with, opt for the nutrition and herb treatments instead and you'll do far better.

As far as what you're eating now, the ethiopian bread's made from fermented teff, so there's no gluten in it.
Here's a list of a variety of different flours and other links from the Hospital for Sick Children's website if you want a comprehensive listing of foods and baking capability.
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Oops! Sorry about that, the link works but I can't figure out the new formatting on this board, and the link was too blahdy long.
Huh. I am an immunologist (for wildlife biology but I am well versed in general immunology) and I have never heard of theories/research that poorly processed wheat or other foods results in removing nutrients in the body which then results in an immune response. But that is a little out of what I do research in, so who knows.

I tended to avoid processed wheat before, the pasta I ate was whole wheat (which I know is partially processed) but mainly I ate whole grains.

Thanks for the advice, I will keep my eye out for gluten free breads (which don't contain any wheat), or bananas. heh. And talk to my doctor (which is a woman, and not homeopathic, but a naturopath)
ohmaude, I found this link with a slew of recipes for those who are going without wheat and gluten foods:

The site, if you want to poke around in there, has terrific suggestions for supporting the body so that it becomes healthy again--and the best nutrition research around. I thought these recipes looked interesting and easy to pull together, so enjoy.

Thanks for the links cha-cha.

I have been officially wheat-free since Tuesday, and am experiencing what must be the detox and withdrawal symptoms.

I have had a headache since yesterday and my muscles just ACHE like I took a beating. sad.gif This is so weird. From what I hear, after this I should start feeling much better. I'm wondering if some of the weight I have gained in the past year will come off.

I will be going into the clinic on Monday to make sure I'm doing everything I can to heal up.
Congrats on starting to make some changes in how you eat!! For the aching, I'd recommend taking epsom salt baths daily - it'll help with the detoxing, *and* a nice hot bath always feels good. I put about 2lb in every bath, then just rinse off afterward.

Hopefully your headache will go away soon, and you'll start to feel your body appreciate the changes you're making. I lost a lot of weight when I made my initial diet change - about 60lb...I was exercising a lot too, which definitely helped. But mostly, it was just because I cut dairy, wheat, eggs and sugar from my diet...and that was alot of my caloric intake. So switching that up to a purely whole foods diet just let the weight melt off.

Now, 5 years later, I've put 25lb of it back on, but I'm cool with that, since now I don't have to be so orthodox about my eating, since I'm managing the overall stress on my body better, I can have some wheat or a sweet treat every few days, and not have a problem. Its now just about balance, and that works for me.
Hey everyone!

I'm in the process of making significant changes to my diet. I eat healthy, generally, but I'm almost always bloated (to the point that it's painful and my pants feel too tight and I am an expert at covertly passing gas. Or at least I hope I am.)

I know I have a really bad sugar addiction. If I eat a peice of cake for a party, for the next 3 days it is a living hell trying to stop the cravings. I will eat an enormous amount of food because I keep feeling hungry, but not until I eat something sweet will it stop. These cravings are thousands of times stronger than smoking cravings for me (I quit smoking a few years ago!). Right now, I'm getting harder on myself to not have any sweets in the first place. I used to have dessert whenever I'd go to my parents' place, but now I'm only going to have desert on special occasions (like Christmas, or a birthday), so like once a month or something.

I'm motivated to do that now because I'm worried that I have insulin resistance. I went to a nutritionist a few years ago and she said it sounded like I do, and this is very serious since it can lead to Type 2 diabetes. Not cool. She also said it sounded like I have IBS since I get diahrea often (especially after eating high-sugar foods). If I eat a lot of fibre and cut the crap foods out of my diet, this tends not to be an issue.

Anyway, you get the idea, my digestive system is not ideal. I gain weight only in my abdomen, so the bloating factor really accentuates this!

I was thinking of cutting out dairy from my diet to see if this improves how I feel. I'm posting here because I want to talk with other people and get suggestions on other possible causes / solutions (I don't have the money for a nutritionist now, and my doctor is a conservative, backward, doesn't-believe-in-nutritionists, take-a-pill-instead kinda guy.)

Right now I am focusing on eating a lot of vegetables every day, eating protein with every meal, but from leaner sources (I lift weights and train at a martial arts academy so this is important). I already stick with whole grains, generally don't eat bread, don't add sugar to meals when cooking and don't drink any milk. I do eat a lot of yogurt and some cheese though. I eat a decent amount of fruits too. Sometimes I drink coffee, but not every day.

Anyway, I still feel bloated when I eat like this, so please let me know if you can help me with your suggestions!

Well, one thing I would suggest right off the bat is the addition of some digestive enzymes to your diet to help you deal with the food you're eating (that bloating and gassiness? means you're not absorbing nutrients from your food...and you should be absorbing them).

Another suggestion I would make is to keep the dairy in, raise the quality of the dairy foods you eat (organic and full fat is good--raw dairy with full fat is better, but that's really tough to find in some places; low fat dairy is not just useless in my opinion, it's harmful and sucks nutrients out of our bodies so it's best left in the store) and add lacto-fermented foods to your diet, such as yogurt. I would also heartily suggest using lemon juice or whey (from your good quality yogurt) to soak all your whole grains and beans in, so that the phytates in them can be removed and you can digest all their nutrients without bloating or gas. Butter is a really important food if you're concerned with actually using the nutrients in your food, so buy the best quality you can (raw if possible, if not, organic butter will do). You should see a huge improvement in the bloating and gassiness just from these small changes alone. If you've made the changes to the dairy products, and the problems still persist, then at that point I would think about removing the dairy from the diet.

Watch out for soy foods, unless they are organic, non-gmo, and fermented (tofu, tempeh, miso, and tamari sauce). Soy is snuck into all kinds of foods--baked goods, fruit juices, condiments and processed foods of every stripe; cereals, soups, all the low fat dairy on the market--you name it. Soy is loaded with phytic acid which actually hinders all nutrient absorption, so it may be a big reason as to why you're suffering the symptoms you have. Any label featuring the words "hydrolyzed vegetable protein" contains soy, in the form of MSG; so many foods contain these ingredients most of us eat soy without knowing and without choosing to do so. Many foods include soy yet their manufacturers don't have to list the soy protein added in their ingredient listings (orange juice is one example, skim milk is another). These foods are best avoided.
QUOTE(turbojenn @ Sep 9 2006, 09:56 PM) *

Congrats on starting to make some changes in how you eat!! For the aching, I'd recommend taking epsom salt baths daily - it'll help with the detoxing, *and* a nice hot bath always feels good. I put about 2lb in every bath, then just rinse off afterward.

Hopefully your headache will go away soon, and you'll start to feel your body appreciate the changes you're making. I lost a lot of weight when I made my initial diet change - about 60lb...I was exercising a lot too, which definitely helped. But mostly, it was just because I cut dairy, wheat, eggs and sugar from my diet...and that was alot of my caloric intake. So switching that up to a purely whole foods diet just let the weight melt off.

Now, 5 years later, I've put 25lb of it back on, but I'm cool with that, since now I don't have to be so orthodox about my eating, since I'm managing the overall stress on my body better, I can have some wheat or a sweet treat every few days, and not have a problem. Its now just about balance, and that works for me.

Thanks Turbo, I have been taking the epsom salt baths before bed. They are fantastic. The ND gave me some probiotics and gut repair stuff today. Mmm....happy gut flora.
Ok, I'ma bumping this.

Since I gave up wheat three weeks ago I have become a changed lady. People who barely know me and don't know that I wasn't feeling well are all like, "Wow. You are looking so much better, you were pale and seemed exhausted. Now you are like your old self, what was happening?" Mind you that is a rude thing to point out, but I think it illustrates just how bad off my poor body was. I can't believe how great I feel now, and I can't believe I let myself go so long feeling so very ill.

So, for those of you who are with me on the no wheat thing, I need some help. I have been nervous about eating out since I eliminated wheat, (duh) and I was wondering if there were any foods that you were like, "Wha? There's wheat in that?" Whether it is a type of cuisine, etc. Which ones suprised you?

So far, I have realized how many people use wheat-based soy sauce....
has anyone read the "cleanse and purify thyself" book? any comments?
I kinda forgot about this thread, and there was something I wanted to ask. As far as I know, I'm not really allergic/sensitive to any food (except one.) I get a little unpleasantly bloaty if I drink too much milk, but that's about it.

However, there's one food that does tend to set me off, and I can't figure out why. For the past few years, I have not been able to eat flour tortillas. The smell alone makes me feel ill, and I get really nauseated if I eat one- nothing really happens, but my stomach gets all churny and I just feel sick all over. I am fine with corn tortillas, I'm so-so with wheat tortillas and only a little better with tortillas that are green (are they supposed to be spinach flavored or something?) I have no reaction to any other wheat/baked products, but for some reason, that buttery smell/taste just gets to me, and I don't think it's psychosomatic- I really feel crappy after i eat them.

I mostly avoid them, but sometimes I get this crazy craving for Taco Bell and corn tortillas aren't an option there.

Any ideas what I could be sensitive to, and why it's only when in flour tortilla form? It makes me sad because I miss burritos! No burrito-sized corn tortillas sad.gif
First: all ailments and diseases are psychosomatic. Psychosomatic does not equal "unreal" or "false". Psychosomatic means that the mind is also involved in the ailment along with the physical body, both in a dynamic, cause and effect way. What you're experiencing is very real--you're lucky you have such a strong sense of what to avoid as a food.

Following that, it could be that you are reacting to the oil content, the refined flour content, and the "natural flavouring/aroma (buttery!)" or "spices" or otherwise named MSG content in the flour tortillas.

Isn't there anyone else around who makes delicious burritos without using these kinds of white flour tortillas where you live? Your body desperately wants you to stop going to Taco Bell.
Ooooh, chacha, I meant to look this thread up earlier, but I took your advice, and I bought some organic, completely grassfed, no-hormone butter and chocolate milk at the farmers market last week - and I didn't have a problem with either! And the butter is sooooo good, unlike any other butter I've had - much cleaner and earthy tasting - YUM. 'course, it was $15 for 8 oz of butter, but it was worth it, and I'm not going to go slathering it on everything...just a dab here and there. dee-licious.

polly, I pretty much just make my own burritos these days...I miss a good burrito from a restaurant, but I love getting fresh corn tortillas, still warm from the factory, and filling them with homeade charro beans, avocado, tomato and onion. mmmmm. I need to do that sometime very soon.
Oh, trust me, I know there are sooo many reasons not to go to Taco Hell, and I only give into that craving a couple times a year. Hmm, MSG in tortillas? That might be it. I've had some bad reactions to Chinese food in the past, and they're notorious for their MSG usage (though I think a lot are not using it anymore, or at least giving you the option of not having it.) At my old job, one day a bunch of us ordered Chinese food from the same place and about an hour after we all ate, we were all falling asleep at our desks, and just felt run down. We figured it was the MSG, and we didn't order from there again. I guess I never thought about tortillas having MSG in them, so maybe that's what it is. I'll have to look into it some more.

Turbo, do you get "burrito-sized" corn tortillas or do you just use smaller ones? I've never found big corn tortillas (maybe because they tend to be a little more brittle than flour, so I figured they would fall apart if you tried to do all the folding.) This is one of the only reasons I sometimes go to Chipotle- they have the burrito bowls, where they put all the stuff in a bowl without the tortilla.
I just use the small corn tortillas, and then I'll eat a couple of them. There's something fun about playing with your food and making a burrito that I really enjoy....the chipotle burrito bowls are indeed good...haven't had one in ages though.

I need to eat my morning fruit now - all this chatter is making me hungry!
Oh Turbo, I am so thrilled to hear the good stuff's not harming you in any way (although, you know, I knew it wouldn't wink.gif !). I know you won't slather it cause it cost more than diamonds, but consider it a very tasty, extremely bioavailable, incredibly effective vitamin, mineral, enzyme and X/co-factor "supplement". Cause that's what it is, after all. Eat lots and enjoy.

Years ago, I had an "in" at a local apiary/dairy place, who would make pure raw milk butter for me. I paid close to $20 a tub for it. But when we had it, we put it in everything! I still have dreams about the saskatoon berry pie a friend and I made with it, it was so good it was staggering.

And then my "in" moved away! So heartbreaking. I'm still looking for my raw milk source, like it's some kind of crime to be able to eat real food.

Pollystyrene, MSG is in almost every processed food. If you're buying something ready-to-use, chances are very good it's MSG loaded, especially if it's a "baked" savory food. It doesn't have to be listed as MSG on labelling--other names which generally mean MSG include "spices", "natural flavours", "natural aroma", hydrolized protein (usually soy), and there are many more.
Yeah, chacha, I will *cry* when the farmers market ends next month, and I won't be able to get the butter as easily...but I know my organic co-op gets a shipment from the dairy once a month, so I'll just have to make a special order. This week, I'm going to hope they have some fresh cream, and make some yum yum yummy roasted butternut soup. That is my favorite taste of fall.

Turbo & chacha I hear you on the organic butter, I have not eaten dairy for about ten years, but for some reason organic/happy cow butter, cheeses and yogurt especially the stuff I get at the farmers market don't give me any problems at all.

Our kitchen floor is being redone and so I have no access to cooking space. I'm terribly hungry so I'm reposting my question: as far as eating out, is there some types of cuisine that are safer than others? I am trying to completely avoid wheat...or anything that means wheat, like soy sauce. Any ideas?
Maude, do you just mean "safer" in terms of "no wheat products"? If so, I would think sushi/japanese (w/o soy sauce, just ginger and/or wasabi), thai, or indian. Do you have any Guatemalan places near you? That can be tasty and wheat-free. (Traditional) Latin American food in general is going to be based around a lot of rice, potatoes, veggies, and meats, and not be as likely to use wheat flour. Or what about any sort of soup and salad place... say, a Greek place with some great lentil soup or Athenian green beans and a big Greek salad. Also, if you have vegetarian/vegan restaurants, a lot of times those places are conscious of peoples' dietary restrictions in general and have wheat-free, gluten-free bread and such.

Oh my God, this thread is making me hungry!
oh, oh ugh. irritable bowel has sneaked it's way back into my gut and is now back in full force.
it's my own damn fault for thinking that i can just eat and drink anything i want 'cause i made it go away once before.
back to the raw vegan diet i suppose.
such a bunch of terribly hard work, so expensive, and i get so skinny!
i hate this.
ohmaude, it's a wonder any of us can digest the "dairy" we're sold at all. Pasteurization and homogenization destroy or remove all the absolutely necessary nutrients we need from milk, but they also destroy enzymes and other chemicals which act as catalysts and co-factors when we ingest milk; without these, we simply can't break the proteins, sugars, or fats in the milk food down and absorb any of their nutrient value We then have to rob our own bodies of stored nutrients (nutrients we need to produce cells, tissue, life) in order to get this food to be of any value for us--it's no wonder, after long term use of this kind of milk as a "food", that people simply start reacting to its strange and undigestible altered nutrients. Babies and children who were allergic to milk in the past (even to mother's milk) were always fed raw milk from cows given a special, restricted diet of hays and sweet grasses (foods guaranteed to have a greater concentration of vitamins and minerals than the fodder other dairy cows were routinely fed). This super nutrient rich, super fatted milk could be digested far more easily than other food, enabling the digestive tract to fully develop; after that, "allergic" children could eat any kind of milk food (and any kind of food, really) with no problem.

So many of us were raised without access to raw milk at all; and its one huge reason why leaky gut syndrome--which goes hand in hand with food allergies and sensitivities of all kinds--is so prevalent now, and plays such a big role in many chronic "developmental" diseases like autism. Along with this food source, we've also lost an effective cure to this increasingly widespread illness, and we have no way to avoid the progressed pathologies associated with it.

Pisses me off. That's all.

So, with my little spiel over, I just wanna say Turbo--order the butter in when your coop does and it will be even fresher...and consider eating raw milk cheeses as well (start with the fattier ones first, then try the harder cheeses as you go...ever tried a triple cream brie cheese made from raw milk? Quebec farmers are legally producing raw milk artesanal cheeses in Canada and they are out of this world good. Such a nice change to have really good cheese, a well matched, complementary wine, and fresh fruit as a dessert!).

Restaurants which don't serve wheat foods: the suggestions below are excellent, and I also thought of
Ethiopian (the bread used, injera, is made with teff).

Pepper, what happened? There's got to be some kind of trigger other than food for this renewed sensitivity; and though being careful about what you eat in order not to suffer is a good temporary strategy I don't think the vegan diet actually did anything curative, cause here you are again in pain. Anything in particular set it off? Any one food or food type?
pepper, yikes sorry to hear that. be nice to yourself.

chacha, I am totally in agreement about what you say based on my experience. I wonder though, what about cultures that traditionally don't have milk as part of their diet? How is that related? Where did you hear about the special cow's milk for children's allergies? When in the past was that done? Was it widespread?

Sorry for all the questions, I'm just curious.

ETA: Thanks octinoxate for the food recs. That was generally what I have been eating, but I wanted to make sure....Lately when I have been eating food other people make, I have been aslking them if there is any wheat or soy sauce in it, I've been suprised how much of the food I didn't suspect contains wheat or some wheat product.
Anytime, maude! I'm definitely no expert, but I used to live with a girl who had a whole handful of severe food alergies, wheat included, and YEAH- I had no idea how many foods all those alergens sneak their way into! What really fucked her up was the corn syrup, because any trace of corn ingredients would make her react, and man, that syrup is in sooo much stuff.

Sorry if this comment is irritating--I know sometimes it's frustrating to hear people telling you to look on the damn bright side all the time-- but in a way this wheat allergy could be a blessing, right? Because it seems like all the food options that are safe for you are going to be super healthy because they'll be less processed, more based on whole, fresh, natural, organic ingredients. You know? So maybe they'll improve your health in untold ways that you never even intended!
Corn is actually in pretty much every product you can buy at the grocery store. (Read Margaret Visser's book Much Depends On Dinner--she spends an entire chapter detailing this fact).

Cultures which weren't agrarian in any way depended on fat rich animal foods in order to produce sufficient and nutritious milk in mothers who raised children--and breastfeeding went on much longer in these cultures than in cultures where cow's milk was a staple food, not simply as a form of birth control (because how effective is that, really?) but also as a means of allowing full development of the gut. We're mammals--by that alone we're dependent on milk for our survival, so all human cultures have had to have milk as the integral food in the diet. What they couldn't get from milk, they got from eating all kinds of high fat animal organ meats, eggs, and insects; much of it raw. Once different people began to turn their lifestyles towards agrarianism, however, and cows were kept for their milk, raw milk became an important food for many, many different peoples in a variety of places in the world.

The "special" cow's milk for babies with milk allergies went on as long as dairy farms were allowed to operate without pasteurization--as recently as the 1930's in places like Switzerland (I'm citing that because of a study done on a group of people in the mountains of Switzerland by Weston Price) and even more recently in other European countries where people weren't legislated into producing pasteurized milk.
But here's an article:traditional foods. I also got the information about treating milk allergies with fat and nutrient rich milk from this site--though I do believe I've read it many places when researching food and nutrition history.

If you're avoiding wheat foods because of sensitivities it's a good idea to avoid soy foods as well (except for the fermented stuff, like miso made from grains you can tolerate).

But its a good idea to avoid most soy foods anyway.
chacha - I did splurge and get some soft raw milk cheese this weekend, and it was absolutely the best thing I've tasted in a very long time! I'll definitely be ordering my butter with the co-op from now on, for the little dash of something special every once in awhile in my cooking.
That's wonderful, Turbo! Mainly because it sounds like these new foods are such a pleasure, but also because it's a really clear sign that you're gaining health (cause you're not sensitive to them so much anymore). It's wonderful that you have access via a local coop and you can get them as you need them.
QUOTE(_octinoxate @ Oct 2 2006, 05:44 AM) *

Sorry if this comment is irritating--I know sometimes it's frustrating to hear people telling you to look on the damn bright side all the time-- but in a way this wheat allergy could be a blessing, right? Because it seems like all the food options that are safe for you are going to be super healthy because they'll be less processed, more based on whole, fresh, natural, organic ingredients. You know? So maybe they'll improve your health in untold ways that you never even intended!

That comment isn't irritating at all, that's actually how I've been thinking about it! Sure, it can be a hassle, but I have also been just eating whole foods or foods with very little processing for the past month. I have always been pretty organic/whole foods minded before (My food comes from the co-op, farmers markets, or it comes from our garden/local woods) I had eaten that way most of the time, but now its all I eat.

I also have to pay attention to everything that goes in my mouth, and as a result I have become much more aware of my eating habits, for the better.

One thing that makes me sad is I've discovered a couple of eateries that use flour/soy sauce in food that traditionally doesn't contain it. Another thing I sadly discovered this last weekend is I need to avoid big potlucks. sad.gif
the raw vegan diet for two months then a five day master cleanse followed by a colonic totally cured my incurable ibs actually. my digestion started to slowly get fussy and then gradually irritable again when i started eating other foods. it's been about 5 years since i was totally raw vegan and totally free from ibs but here it is again.
it's not any one thing that i've done that's suddenly set it off, it's just gotten worse and worse over time and now it's right back to totally sucking.
i still eat really well but coffee, dairy, grains, cooked foods, alcohol, irregular eating, etc, it's all contributed bit by bit to re-creating the problem.
i was told that ibs was incurable, i didn't believe that at all. i realize that it can come back at any time if i treat my body the way i was before i ever got it at all. the cure is in maintaining a diet that supports good health instead of occasionally indulging to my own detriment. whatever the reason, my system is particularly sensitive and needs extra special care.
sucks for me, but it'll keep me healthy in general if i have to think about every bite i put into my mouth!
Pepper, I didn't ask what you "did"--I asked what's been going on, what's happened, as in what's happened in your life at the moment which has made you suddenly susceptible, when for 5 years or more you were not susceptible to the return of these symptoms.

Has there been some emotional upset, some major unexpected change, some trauma of any kind? Financial, familial, sexual, anything? Usually these events become the thing that suddenly take us down where we're usually quite capable of dealing with any challenges that come our way, including challenges in health.

IBS is totally curable--any illness our bodies can get, our bodies can cure. All you need to do is find out what makes the body suddenly incapable of doing what it does so effectively all the time...which is keep you healthy.
ohmaude - maybe you'll be like me at potlucks...where first people are a little scared of what you bring...but then...they taste it...and then you're lucky if you even get to eat your own food! Its so funny how its happened, but at any gathering now, my food generally generates the most interest! ...And there is something about the care and love that I put into my food too. I'm never gonna walk in the door at a party with a bag of chips and jar of salsa....its always something homeade.
chacha, i did recently have a traumatic event that i'm still working through but my gut was already bothering me. it's been getting worse and worse over the last two years or so, more in the last year, way worse over the past couple of months. it's like when it first started, irritable belly that got worse and worse until eventually i just couldn't eat anything at all without it being painful and yuck. even a glass of water set it off.

my diet has been getting less and less perfect since i had this kid (he's 5.5 now). i just don't have enough time to spend eating as well as i used to, i make things that are quick. quick for me might be annie's organic noodles and cheese with broccoli, cauliflower and yogurt instead of milk but that's not as healthy as i prefer to eat.
the last two years i've been drinking coffee every once in a while and drinking more wine that just occasionally too.
i really do have an exceptionally healthy diet compared to the norm.
maybe i don't drink enough water.
Nope, I think you're drinking enough water...but you need to make sure you're hydrated while you've got these symptoms again, so maybe you should add a bit of sea salt to the water to help restore and maintain your electrolytes. There are some tissue salts you can take which will help restore that balance and calm things for you significantly, too.

The diet you were on granted you a bit of a reprieve, but it didn't cure you of the IBS. Cure means cure: your symptoms never come back no matter what you eat, and no matter what kind of event later comes along to make life difficult for you. If you were feeling the changes come on about 2 years ago, ask yourself what changed in your life back then, because it was the beginning of what's taking place now.

Whatever it is, I can tell it sounds horrible, and I'm so sorry you're going through it. If things have actually come to some kind of head now, then at least you'll be able to start making things better and you'll be healthy again, hopefully in all aspects of your life.
pepper-I don't know if you have tried this or not, so forgive me if I suggest something you have already tried, but, have you considered going to a naturopath?

I had IBS for years, thinking it was stress related and that i had to really restrict what i ate when I had an "attack". Despite my best efforts, it just kept getting worse and was totally affecting everything i did and how I planned my day.

I ended up finally going to a naturopath, who helped me figure out it was really just a handfull of foods that caused the problem, and gave me some gut-repair stuff that made a huge difference right off the bat. Like in four or five days my symptoms have all but dissappeared.

Turbo-the potluck instance was at a LARGE potluck a week ago when I ate small amounts of food that looked like it had no flour or soy sauce in it. Something did, as I found out about four hours later. lovely. sad.gif
The nice thing about a metropolitan type academic setting is usually someone says, "ooh who brought the quinoa/tofu salad. It is divine"
maude, i can't actually remember the last time i went to a naturopath actually. i've been self-healing for so many years, i haven't had the need. i did go to a tcm student clinic last month but only because my neighbour is in her fifth year and needs people to practice on. it was... interesting. let's just say that acupuncture is Not my cup of tea.
a naturopath may be in the cards for future though. it's been not so terrible over the weekend but there is still some bubbly tummy that is irritating to say the least.
chacha, i hardly drink any water at all, a habit from raw days since fresh fruits and veg are so full of liquid. now that i eat grains and such i should probably start drinking more water but i just don't like to.
I second the recommendation to get someone who's qualified to look after you and finally get rid of this problem once and for all. A naturopath can be good--but personally, I think homeopathy accomplishes far more, uses far more effective and inexpensive medicines, which act much more quickly and permanently. So I'd always recommend that.

The diet/nutrition thing is iffy, just because there is so much variation and conflict about what constitutes a good, healthy diet. I know a few naturopaths who do think the same way I do about nutrition--but the majority will do a variation of a low fat/high supplementation/mainly vegetarian thing with you and promote tons of foods like soy, because so many of them are still taught/teaching that. Sure, it's a good idea to avoid foods that cause a problem--but only until you've found a way to treat the problem. It's not a good idea to avoid foods you're sensitive to forever. That only leads to your having more sensitivities to more foods as time goes on.

Food's important for maintaining health, yes, but it's just one thing: and the most important thing I ever learned in my holistic nutrition studies was "Don't fuck with peoples' food". Luckily, with homeopathy, you don't need to. In any case, it's time you seriously thought about undergoing a viable alternative treatment with someone who is trained to work with you to get you well again. TCM is more than just acupuncture--if you've got a friend who is well trained in TCM and you don't mind working with herbs on a long term basis, why not see if she/he will take on your case?

About hydration: water's the best thing, and I hate drinking it too. I will avoid it whenever possible.
But I will also do things like make sure I have alternatives I can deal with: so, for me, that's making pots of fruit or herb tea that I like, and keeping it cold for whenever I feel like I should have something to drink. I don't need to sweeten them, and I like the taste; and if I have a few on hand I have a lot of variety and I don't resort to drinking softdrinks (cause I am addicted to the fizziness of carbonated drinks).
quick change of subject post...newbie to this thread, and don't know if you guys talk about heartburn type stuff here or not? i seem to be getting it, or something with my stomach/esophagus and it really sucks. does anyone else have experience with it or should i post on the general thread instead? thanks.
chacha, i've discovered dragon pearl tea recently. it's the only herbal tea i like without sweetner in it but it might be caffeinated (green tea base?). i'll have to check that out.
when i thirst i reach for a glass of wine. not really a great solution.
i think there's a practitioner in town who blends naturo and homeo, i'll ask around.
luleey - I'm no help I'm afraid on the heartburn/reflux issue, but stick around someone may have advice for you...posting the general health thread certainly couldn't hurt.

pepper, I also find that adding a tiny bit of licorice root to my herbal teas while they steep adds a delicous natural sweetness to your tea. My favorite is mint tea brewed strong with licorice, I use about a 2:1 ratio of mint to licorice.
it always tastes so, uh, earthy to me tj. i do love that yogi tea, don't know how they manage to get it so tasty but it is.
Licorice is a natural sweetener, and it's been used that way for centuries--but it is also a stimulant and some people can't handle its effects. Personally I love the taste of licorice/aniseed/fennel...all the same thing: but I know a lot of people who can't stand it. To each his own.

It is, by the way, what many people use to treat heartburn.
Heartburn's main cause is a lack of hydrochloric acid (you are not producing enough). This usually points to a zinc shortage in the diet, as well as a salt imbalance (you need both to produce enough hydrochloric acid for proper digestion). You might want to try using a good quality sea salt instead of plain old sodium chloride table salt (the Celtic or Britanny sea salt from France is rich with minerals you need, coarse, and can be found and used easily enough); and adding zinc rich foods to your diet (or supplementing with trace minerals including zinc).

Other causes you might want to rule out or look out for: everytime I get heartburn symptoms, I know I am eating too many refined carbs. Too much sugar, too much bread, too much pasta. It's a signal for me to scale back and focus on more protein rich foods and green and yellow vegetables--leafy ones especially.
Others suffer from clothes which actually constrict the midsection, as these actually force the sphincter leading from the stomach to the esophagus open; when this happens the acidic contents in the stomach are also forced into the esophagus, which simply isn't equipped to handle the acidity. Try to avoid lying down after eating (this can make the problem worse just because of gravity--the forced acid will just travel along the esophagus further).
Smoking is yet another cause; and never rule out the effects of conflicts with other people--or situations which affect you on an emotional level, which will make you susceptible no matter what you eat. Usually when there is irritation or burning in the body, someone or something about your life is irritating you or "burning you up"; remove yourself from the situation till you can feel better, then do what you must to resolve it.
First aid: don't bother using things like Tums or Rolaids--they only work suppressively, and they ensure that the heartburn will come back. One of the best home remedies is to take some apple cider vinegar and drink it down. You don't need a lot, just a little bit; it will tell your body there is enough acidity in the stomach, proper digestion will resume, and the symptoms will stop.

Green tea does have caffeine, but you know, caffeine is a viable anti-oxidant and it does have many benefits for the body. All black teas have caffeine (and green tea is made from the same plant as black tea) but the body actually uses the caffeine from tea differently from the caffeine from sources like coffee. Both drinks actually contain far more "active ingredients" than just that stimulant; the effect of each substance on the body is phenomenally different. We make remedies from each substance in homeopathy--and believe me, the mental/emotional changes resulting from tea are a whole world apart from the ones brought on from coffee; tea actually produces a (worst case scenario) murderous mindset, especially towards children!; coffee produces a mental state that is social and altruistic, intellectually creative, and happy ("ailments from excessive joy" is one of it's big markers).

But I'm kinda digressing--my point is the green tea sounds lovely and if you like it without sweetener, go right ahead. One of my favourite black teas to have with just milk is Chai--I'm not crazy about the Yogi Indian Chai blend (too much ginseng, which is not necessary) so I just try and make up my own. The cinnamon usually gives it just enough sweetness so I never feel like I need to add it.
pepper, I'll admit that I really don't like any of the boxed teas that include licorice root - its not so much that they taste earthy to me, as that they taste - dusty...I think they use the tiniest little slivers of the root. I just by the licorice root in bulk, so I can add it to whatever tea I'm having - and you only need the tiniest amount.

Here's where I order mine from: Culinary Teas. They're other teas are great too, and I love ordering a smattering of their samples of their herbal teas so I can try new things.

Hmmm....that's really interesting about the differences in caffeine between tea and coffee. I don't enjoy what caffeine does to my body in any makes me feel too wired, and can send my heart off on a wild irregularly beating rampage, so I just stick to the herbals.

In fact, I'm sipping a pot of my mint-licorice right now. Perfect for the first really cold morning of the season.
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quick change of subject post...newbie to this thread, and don't know if you guys talk about heartburn type stuff here or not? i seem to be getting it, or something with my stomach/esophagus and it really sucks. does anyone else have experience with it or should i post on the general thread instead? thanks.

I have had acid reflux since I was about 16. Some of the foods you need to stay away from are: citrus fruits, chocolate sad.gif, things with tomatoes sauce in them, coffee, and soda. I was also told not to drink out of a straw or eat things like salads where I would have to take lots of small bits. So basically, I cannot (or at least am not suppose to) eat everything I like!

If you do not experience heartburn regularly, than you might not have acid reflux. If the problem is persistent, than I would check with a doctor if I were you. This kind of pain is some of the worst pain I have ever experienced!
i have found drinking plenty of water helps with keeping acid levels at bay. i also only eat in moderation and stop eating once i am full.
Is anyone doing a gluten-free diet? Is it insane? I'm booking a test for celiac in a few weeks.
Girl - I'm celiac, and have been gluten-free for 7 years! It is a transition, but once you get the hang of things, it's pretty easy and becomes automatic...and I assure you the health benefits are so worth it - I'm truly healthy for the first time in my life. A good reference on the medical aspects is the book by Dr. Peter Green. My favorite blog is, and I blog recipes as well (though I'm nowhere near as good a writer/photographer as glutenfreegirl). Anyway, if you have any questions - let me know. Just remember that you need to have been eating gluten when you have the test, so don't go gluten-free just yet.
girl_logic, congrats on making changes in how you eat! i found out my food sensitivities when i went to a naturopath in 2006. best thing i ever did. i'm more aware of how my body processes (or doesn't) process the foods i eat. Living Without Magazine is a good resource and can be found at Whole Foods. I've made alot of changes in my diet as a result. As a result of food allergies and sensitivities, some restaurants have gluten-free options. There really is alot on the market nowadays for people who eat differently so consider yourself fortunate. It will feel crazy in the beginning 'cause you are making changes in how you eat, but, you will appreciate it in the long run.
Yeah, I'm feeling good about this. We aren't going to be 100% sure about the intolerance until I do the blood test, but we're pretty certain about the things that will turn up.

I peeked at the links you both shared, they give me hope! I wish I could cut this stuff out before the test, (it's going to be a bit of a wait since my insurance doesn't cover it), I'm looking forward to feeling better.

Thank you both
I'm getting a 2nd test for celiac in two weeks. If this one comes back negative as well I'm just switching to the diet. I was eating it for 3 weeks and felt a lot better but my doctor wants to confirm it. I can't eat eggs by themselves anymore, dairy makes me quite sick, and gluten is really fucking with me too.

i had indian food last night and it DESTROYED me today. why?? it's so tasty! and vegetarian friendly!!

luleely & nodoubt: i feel your (epigastric) pain.

the other irony is that my heartburn is no doubt intimately associated with diet coke--A FOOD I LOVE THAT HATES ME.

off to brew some soothing peppermint tea...
the other irony is that my heartburn is no doubt intimately associated with diet coke--A FOOD I LOVE THAT HATES ME.

And here I was thinking that I had no reason to post here. I woke up this morning craving Coke Zero. This is very unusual for me as I normally stay away from caffeine until lunchtime. I recently started connecting Coke Zero w/my returning heartburn. I can have some but, when I indulge in too much, the burn kicks in.
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