Sep 5 2006, 04:09 AM
You're welcome...glad I can help.
If you're told that raw milk is "illegal", you may still be able to acquire it perfectly legally (there are things such as cowshare or farmshare agreements, or qualifications regarding raw milk foods, that may allow you access. It all depends on where you are--and you can try and find a source near you at www.realmilk.com).
Please don't use "regular" milk for the beet kvass--use the very best kind of yogurt or kefir you can find. If you can't get a raw milk yogurt, find an organic, full fat yogurt to use for the kvass recipe. It won't be as beneficial as the raw milk yogurt, but it will at least have some nutrients (whereas using the "regular" pasteurized milk yogurt will have additives you won't want in it, plus no nutrient value. The nutrients make all the difference here).
Oil of Evening Primrose can be used as a remedy for PMS as it is one of the omega 6 fatty acids which enables proper absorption of nutrients from other fats--and this enables the body to produce the right amounts and types of prostaglandins. These prostaglandins eliminate much of the pain experienced during the period; once they are present they contribute to creating and maintaining optimum hormone balance in the body, which means your menstrual cycle takes place just as it should--pain and trouble free.
It doesn't work on its own: you do need to supplement with the omega 3 fatty acids as well. I like the fish oil+evening primrose oil combination, but some people opt to use flax oil instead of the fish oil. It's not as beneficial, but it can do the trick. Or, make it super easy on yourself and get a product that gives you a balanced combination, so you can live with the regular dosings required. If you take a cod liver oil with it, you get the added bonus of the vitamins A and D--D being a nutrient that acts a lot like a hormone all by itself. Don't bother supplementing with vitamin D--it's best if it comes from a fish liver oil, or from sun exposure. Most vitamin D supplements are just not utilized by the body at all.
If you're suffering from bad cramps and you want some fast relief for them, the best thing I ever tried for those is the biochemical tissue salt Magnesia Phosphorica, in a 12x or 6x potency. You can get this at your health food store: it's especially helpful if you get the kind of cramps that make you double over, feel better lying down, and feel better if you apply heat to the affected part. Works fast, no side effects, and addresses a very deep nutritional deficiency you'd never be able to fix with a supplement. Just use it as needed.
Sep 5 2006, 07:29 AM
Wondering if anyone could recommend a good B-complex? Like a brand name? I just have no idea what ones are good or not. I've started taking the Flax/Primrose oil and want to add the B-complex now. ANy thoughts?
It's so awesome we have an expert in this thread!!! Love it!
Sep 5 2006, 10:11 AM
B vitamin supplements are difficult....we don't absorb a lot of them (as you'll note--bright yellow-green pee whenever you take your B complex pills!) easily this way, and they are famously adulterated with filler material like stearates, which make it incredibly hard for you to have access to the nutrients.
If you are a meat eater, red meat is the very best source of B vitamins out there, in the sense that they are bio-available to you. Of course I'm going to recommend organic and free-range meats, raised without drugs and hormones...but you knew that. Beef, lamb, pork, and game meats such as venison, moose, and buffalo are all good sources. But if you're not a meat eater, then your B vitamins have to come from supplements.
My first choice would be a liquid formulation that can be taken sublingually, or via drops. B12 is a very important B vitamin you can easily find in these formulations, usually as a cyanocobalamin or, preferably, a methylcobalamin form. But then you'd be finding one formulation for each B vitamin, and that's a lot of work.
What I suggest as an accessible, happy medium is to look for a B vitamin complex that is based in some kind of organic cultivated or fermented medium: 2 I can think of off the top of my head are a company called New Chapter Organics (they make a full line of different supplements and herb compounds, all certified organic and all in the cultured matrix); the other comes from Switzerland and it's a product called BioStrath, which comes in tablet or liquid form. I'm sure you can get a B complex from New Chapter (they may have their own name on it, though, something descriptive, like stressadvantage or something similar) in the US and Canada; the BioStrath, however, is like an herbal yeast food supplement (its called a plasmolysate) and it includes all the B vitamins, vitamin C, major and trace minerals, all the amino acids, 4 co-enzymes including CoQ10, DNA, RNA, ATP and some lipotrophics. Both will run you in the $25 range for a first bottle/package, but they are good quality and usable nutrients. I think even meat eaters will benefit from Bio-Strath, but they don't need to use as much of it. If you are a vegetarian or a vegan, I strongly suggest supplementing even your B complex with daily B12 methylcobalamin drops, strips, or sublingual pills.
Another little trick I learned from a very old doctor: if you are low on B6 and use supplements, eat pecans with them as well! They are synergistic, and the pecans make the B6 easily absorbable.
Sep 5 2006, 11:21 AM
you rule-cha cha cha!!! i'm a vegetarian, so it looks like i'll do the b complex and the add'l B12. Thanks for the names, gives me a good place to start.
Sep 5 2006, 11:35 AM
Are you vegan or ovo-lacto?
If you eat milk products, eat butter. It definitely helps with all nutrient absorption, whether they come from food or supplements. If you're vegan, add cocoanut oil (an extra virgin expeller pressed oil, in particular) to your diet for the same reasons.
Sep 5 2006, 01:18 PM
not vegan, just don't eat flesh or whatever....
I LOOOVE butter:) so that's great to keep in mind.
Sep 6 2006, 03:56 AM
Good. Buy the absolute best--organic, unpasteurized cultured sweet butter (that's the ideal, it's so nutrient rich it's unbelievable). If not (I know it can be really hard to find), get the best you can and eat it will all your veggies. Use the high quality cocoanut oil for cooking your foods or just add a teaspoon to a cup of tea and eat it like that: it's almost as nutrient rich as the butter and it's easier to access.
Sep 7 2006, 03:56 PM
I started detoxing yesterday. Despite having a good cholesterol level and being active (walking, yoga, ballet practice, Pilates), I still have belly fat that feels more fuller lately, depite that I haven't changed my habits. I also have 36Ds, and they've given me back fat and lower-back tension, so I always felt big in my body despite being active. I like sweets, but make sure not to eat too much, and I drink water and cranberry juice/seltzer a lot to clean out my body. But I've been feeling sluggish and fat in my body, so I started doing a detox.
Yesterday I had sansai soup with mixed vegetables at a Japanese resturant, and ate strawberries and a peach for dessert. Today I had Cheerios with banana slices, a chicken/vegetable salad with mozzerella, an apple, and drank pomegranate juice, and will have some detoxifying tea later on.
I am doing this for a month, and I hope to feel a lot better and to lose water weight and reduce my belly fat in addition to my regular exercise.
Sep 10 2006, 11:15 PM
Does anyone here have any experience with using natural progesterone cream? I'm having major menstrual issues due to having polycystic ovaries and this is one of the things that has been recommended to me. I'm just wondering about safety and what not. I am also taking something called Fertility Blend, as well as Saw Palmetto and a prenatal vitamin (which my OB/GYN told me I should do if I am even considering trying to become pregnant in the future). I am just curious if anyone here has gone the natural route in trying to balance hormones. The only thing the doctors seem to want to prescribe is birth control pills, and since I can't tolerate them, and wouldn't take them even if I could, I am just left out in the cold as far as conventional medicine is concerned. I've read a great deal on another board about various supplements, but all the people there seem to be taking whatever someone else mentions. I don't want to just start taking things willy nilly and screw myself up worse. I wish I were in a position financially to see a professional, but at this point that's a pipe dream. I am just frustrated because I feel like I am between a rock and a hard place when it comes to my health. I will have medical coverage once again starting next month, but really I don't see them doing much more than they did the last time around. Besides, I would prefer to heal myself naturally. Obviously, I am aware that weightloss will help, and I am working on that. Also diet, which I have made a concerted effort to try and purchase organic or from reputable and local sources, and including more whole and unprocessed foods.
Sep 11 2006, 02:07 AM
I think it's a great idea to work in a natural and holistic way to heal whatever needs to be healed, even if it is something like hormone balance. But anything that requires treatment of deep, chronic disease needs supervision: a full case taking, and a dedicated, long term case management strategy. You really must seek out the help of someone who is well trained in their particular alternative treatment modality because chronic disease that affects deep internal organs and hormone balance will not resolve without this level of care. Treating yourself for any kind of ailment, even an acute one, is rarely the best strategy, simply because we all lack the objectivity we would desperately need to understand what is taking place in terms of symptoms we're experiencing (so many people argue with me on this, but whenever I take a case I closely note the symptoms I can observe in my patients: so often, they're not even aware of those symptoms, and they don't realise they're there because they've come on so subtly. But they are always the most important symptoms to understand in the case!). So even though the prospect of finances seem frightening, the most economical, safe, and effective way to treat something like what you're describing is to work with a skilled practitioner that you trust.
All medical treatments cost--even the kind you're "covered" for with insurance (which never takes care of the entire cost, does it?) If you have insurance coverage for medical treatment, call up your provider and ask if you receive coverage for alternative medical practitioners, like a naturopath or homeopath or a practitioner of traditional chinese medicine. I can give you some idea of what each of those types of practitioners would charge, and usually it's an investment equivalent to the amount of about $1200 or so per year. You don't have to see alternative health practitioners as often as you do MDs, though you will spend more time with your practitioner than you ever would with any GP or specialist. The things that may incur costs are herbs and supplements--and if you opt for working with someone who treats nutritionally without them, or if you opt for a classical homeopath, supplements and herbs aren't even part of the treatment anyway. TCM practitioners use herbs, but they use them quite sparingly. So, in the bigger picture, with expenses spread out over the year and compared to what things like prescription drugs would cost, alternatives are far more economical; and in the end the quality of your life and health are restored.
PS--just losing weight is not the answer in any case that has to do with hormone balance. PCOS often causes weight gain to compensate for imbalances or deficiencies in estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone, and it also tries to protect the body because specific glands and organs have been overstressed--like the adrenals, the pancreas, and the liver. Not only is dieting very hard to do, it may actually just exacerbate the whole problem of hormone balance! A holistic approach to treatment can eliminate the need for the body to put weight on in order to store precious hormone quantities out of scarcity...so you won't need to keep gaining it. I'm just putting this in here to try and illustrate how everything that's taking place is part of the whole of what needs to be addressed; none of your symptoms can be taken out of context.
If I can help you out with some information of what's out there and who's practicing where you are, let me know--doing the research about what treatment to use is a good way to start things off, so I can give you some resources if you're interested in learning more about your options. Just let me know.
Sep 11 2006, 02:32 AM
Thanks chacha, I will PM you.
Oct 3 2006, 11:19 PM
how effective is homeopathy for athlete's foot? I've been self-treating for over a year (alternating OTC creams, essential oils like tea tree, tagetes and oregano, and a bleach & water solution; very clean diet; changing socks 2x/day and washing them with bleach) and still can't get rid of it. Everything I've tried sets it back for a few days but then it just gets more aggressive. I'm even thinking about getting an oral antifungal from the doctor, even after reading about the potential side effects.
If homeopathy is effective for this, what questions do you recommend asking of a new naturopath / homeopath? Besides schooling, # of years in practice, etc, which are covered in their websites.
Oct 4 2006, 04:26 AM
Oops! I answered this in the general health thread!
Oct 5 2006, 07:23 PM
I take it that "modern" homeopathic methods (eg Scholten, Viithoulkas) would involve combinations (which you warn against)? One of the local homeopaths talks of practicing both classical and modern homeopathic approaches.
Thanks for linking to that online book. I learned a lot.
Oct 6 2006, 02:37 AM
I've noticed a trend lately in that the people who have no education in homeopathic medicine have taken to calling the use of combination remedies "modern" homeopathy. There are even some companies which only make combination remedies, and promote them to practitioners who have no training in homeopathy as "modern" homeopathy. It's really crappy, but there's no legislation or restriction in place that protects consumers from this kind of labelling.
Thing is, homeopathy's philosophy and scientific method are still exactly the same as what they were when Hahnemann founded it over 200 years ago. If you use it, homeopathy works very well: if you don't employ the method, it fails. Simple, timeless, true.
Vithoulkas' work is a cornerstone of classical homeopathic philosophy and methodology--he's as classical as they come, and we all study a lot of his work in school (and many of us go off to Greece to his school to keep studying once the basics are done). Scholten publishes his research and his documentation and case notes--though what he's doing with the idea of understanding remedies and their relationships to each other (he's organized remedies, for example, elements, and analysed their effect as medicinal substances and how those effects are governed by things like their place in the periodic table--so he's analyzing the chemical and physical science in the medicinal substances) is different from what Hahnemann did, the remedies still go through provings and they are still applied as Hahnemann would have used them 200 years ago. I've studied with Scholten and I do use his books as references when I try to select remedies for my patients--these are just examples of individual analytical methods which get used to employ the classical homeopathic methods. These homeopaths are modern in the sense that they're alive now--but they'd be furious if anyone lumped them in with people who use the polypharmacy "modern" homeopathy that's being sold to the untrained.
So...if the homeopath you talked to meant he's read and studied with Vithoulkas and Scholten when he meant "modern", well, yes, that's part of classical homeopathic training. If he meant he's using combination remedies, save your money, and keep looking! There are many homeopaths out there who've learned how to do it properly,so that you get better quickly, without pain and suffering, and you know exactly what medicine is doing what at any given time. People never get well with combos, it's a frustrating, expensive waste of time and if just getting rid of symptoms is all you want to do, conventional medicine can do that for you all on its own (and at least we know the side effects of those drugs; no one can say the same thing for combination remedies).
Oct 8 2006, 05:00 PM
any remedies or advice for sinus/allergy problems? i'm still struggling with this cold for the past week. just want to know what kind of natural things i can do to take care of myself. thanks!
Oct 8 2006, 06:53 PM
star - I'd recommend getting a neti pot - it looks like a small sqaushed teapot, and you fill it with warm water and 1/4 tsp salt, and rinse your sinuses. It takes a few tries to get the angle right, and practice blowing the water out through the other nostril, but I try to do it everyday in the spring and fall when my body is extra stressed with weather changes. If you're *really* brave, you can crush a clove of garlic, dump it in your warm water, then strain and add the salt and rinse that way - the garlic kills ALL the bacteria...but damn it can sting...its one of those things where you really have to *want* the cure, if you know what I mean. If you know anyone that works in a hospital, you can also ask them to pick up a few 40ml syringes for you (without the needles of course), and use those for rinsing - that way you can basically propel the water through your sinuses.
I'm sure chacha will have some other ideas for you here, but the neti is my favorite tip....
Oct 8 2006, 07:27 PM
ohhhh! thanks turbojenn! i've heard of this method before and was thinking about it the other day. i've heard it really works. i have a high tolerance for pain so i think i might be brave and try what you said. plus, my mom's a nurse so i think i might ask for the syringe thing. i've had nasal surgery when i was 19 and that crap didn't work. i'm telling you...i'm having major issues with modern medicine.
Oct 8 2006, 07:47 PM
Someone else on here awhile back who also suffered from chronic sinus issues found the root of the problem in some old dental work that was causing it all...so that might be something to look into too...in the meantime, go for it with the sinus rinsing. Google "neti pot" and you can come up with some good instructions, I'm sure.
Oct 8 2006, 09:18 PM
ok, Chacha. You make things so much clearer. Thanks again.
Oct 9 2006, 04:33 AM
You're welcome, Anarch...hope that's helpful to you; wish I knew where you were as I might be able to refer you, but if you're already talking Vithoulkas and Scholten, you're probably doing OK on your own! PM me if you like, though...whatever you wish.
Neti pots are something I don't mind recommending because so many patients swear by them. It's a simple idea, it's not expensive, and it works--it has worked for thousands of years, too.
Some other ideas:
I love the Biochemical Tissue salts. There are 12 of them all together, they are specially prepared inorganic minerals that work beautifully to provide a much needed, impossible-to-get-any-other-way nutritional support for the body while they also change what the body is doing energetically, like a homeopathic medicine. Since there are only 12 of them and the method for figuring out which ones are needed by any given patient is so simple (you go on basic physical symptoms, nothing that requires hours of analysis and research), anyone can choose the ones they need easily. On top of that, they're pleasant to use, they can treat adults of any age, kids, and pets as well. I don't know why people bother trying to "simplify" homeopathic remedy selection (never gonna happen) when the tissue salts can offer you a first aid, first line of treatment that's effective, easy to use, and inexpensive. It's way easier to choose from 12 salts than it is to choose from over 3000 remedies...and they certainly do get you out of a bind and support the body well.
Any good health food store will carry these: they are called Scheussler Tissue Salts, or Biochemical Tissue Salts; they're available in two potencies (6X or 12X, either will do). Often, the health food store will even stock little booklets on Tissue salts describing what they do and how to use them for a variety of ailments--these usually cost less than $10: if you pick up one of these booklets to use whenever you need them, and use it to choose an appropriate salt for whatever ails you, you have a very effective, very affordable treatment method and tools handy for very little expense or trouble.
If you've got sinusitis, consider that as a chronic condition it can be caused by abscesses in the upper teeth (the roots of those teeth protrude into the sinus cavity, so it may be a sustaining cause of infection--always rule this out). Otherwise, sinusitis has an emotional component (frustrated or suppressed emotions, as in you are forced to keep your feelings about any kind of issue silent or hidden, for a prolonged amount of time).
And now for tissue salt options: always base your selection on the type of discharge you get (discharges often indicate the kind of disease process under way).
If you have an albuminous discharge (looks the white of a raw egg), choose Calc. Phos. (aka Calcarea Phosphorica) tissue salt;
A clear, watery discharge causing soreness and a "salty" taste in mouth will respond to Nat. Mur. (aka Natrum Muriaticum).
If you have a white, fibrinous discharge, choose Kali Mur. (aka Kali Muriaticum).
If you have a sticky yellow or greenish discharge, choose Kali Sulph (aka Kali Sulphuricum).
If you have a yellow, lumpy discharge, and the sinusitis is affecting the bones, choose Calc. Flour. (aka Calcarea Flouricum); and alternate this with Silica tissue salts.
If you have a purulent discharge, use the Silica tissue salts alternating with Calc. Sulph. (aka Calcarea Sulphuricum).
Take 4 of the little pills 4 times a day, just pop them under the tongue and let them dissolve (they do that instantly).
Oct 9 2006, 07:25 AM
i too would like to know more about natural progesterone cream, which my gyno prescribed to help alleviate my perimenopause symptoms (irritibility, stress, anxiety - especially at bedtime). i'm going to give it a shot. but i don't know anything about it, other than what i've skimmed online. the whole thing has me weirded out a bit, despite the highest trust i have for my doc.
Oct 9 2006, 05:16 PM
thanks chacha for the sinus advice! and i didn't know about the whole sinus/emotional component. and i'm gonna be a psychologist. interesting. i'm definitely gonna share this advice with one of my friends. i have been under alot of stress this summer. plus, when i don't drink enough water, i noticed i get more sinus pressure.
Oct 12 2006, 05:07 AM
Mando, I know you trust your doctor, and that is ideal; but you have to trust your own feelings and opinions a bit more. Doctors are not paid to tell you to do things--they are paid for their advice, which you can follow or decide against. If you feel a little weirded out by using bio-identical hormone replacement therapy, then don't dismiss that. I personally think there are great reasons to trust that reticence, having worked with bio-identical hormones in the past, but it isn't my decision to make; what I would recommend to you is to follow your instinct here and make sure you check out all the possible pros and cons of this kind of HRT before you decide what to do.
This is no reason to distrust your doc, as your doctor is only suggesting what he/she knows and has been taught to administer--he/she believes this is the best solution, cause it's what he/she knows. There are, however, plenty of other solutions and approaches your doctor has not been schooled in or made aware of; they might come from other medical specialties or alternative medical treatment methods--for whatever reason they are out of his/her realm of knowledge, training, and experience. That doesn't mean you can't find out about them and then weigh your options fully before committing to a decision.
Here are some links about bio-identical hormone replacement therapies from more objective sources to start you off on learning more about this kind of treatment:University of Saskatchewan overview BHRTa gynocologist's perspective;
From my own point of view, I think the logic behind hormone replacement therapy of any kind is flawed. The deficiency in particular hormone is merely a symptom--it isn't the entire disease. "Replacing" that hormone (a very iffy business, as the body produces such minute amounts of hormone, which are then so effective at creating a response in the receptor tissue and elsewhere in the body--BHRT regularly doses you with almost a million times more than what your body actually makes) will not fix the problem regarding the body's inability or defect in gland function which has played a big role in that hormone deficiency. All it does is replace the hormone--the gland isn't "repaired", and when the other glands in the body react to that hormone's sudden flood even more damage will result to the impaired gland and receptor tissues.
My experience with BHRT is that is often takes a long time--a few tries at least--with a compounding pharmacist that can make up a variety of BHRT combinations that you'll put through trial and error; these will only work for a limited period of time as your body will naturally slow down its own production of hormones as a result of the BHRT doses. So they'll need to be adjusted again and again, but meanwhile nothing is being done to address your own body's inability to create its own hormones properly.
To boot, the thinking behind BHRT erroneously assumes that the hormone levels in the body are static--that we don't respond to the environment around us and within us; when daily life and it's many stressors and challenges often cause natural changes in hormone balances--often significant, sustained changes-- throughout the body. The daily doses, however, don't change to accomodate for this; the result is a continous imbalance of hormones in the body--more symptoms, when you've been going through all this medication for fewer. How can the body actually fix the original dysfunction when all these artificial, maintaining causes continue to thwart its efforts to heal itself?
Secondly, BHRT gets alot of press and publicity from celebrity endorsement (and I can't quite understand that, as at least one celeb who has been really pushing BHRT for about 20 years has come to have cancer, something I don't find coincidental); but it hasn't been given any study clinically. Modern women who opt to use these treatments are really its only "clinical subjects", and they are all guinea pigs. No tests have really been done to compare BHRT to its scary cousin, HRT; and BHRT has not been used long enough that we can say with any certainty that it's any safer than HRT.
There is quite a lot that can be done to restore optimum health to the glands of the body so that you can produce and balance your own hormones all the way through menopause and beyond, using real alternatives such as classical homeopathy, nutritional therapy, botanical medicines, TCM--take your pick. The approach is always very different with these methods because they don't seek to "remove symptoms" so much as to repair what is damaged holistically to cause the symptoms to occur. It just makes more sense to approach the problem from that angle...but again, that is my opinion; it may not be yours. It's just something to consider.
Oct 13 2006, 08:16 AM
OT, but i was blabbing on and on to my boyfriend about coconut oil and milk and nutrients and stuff, and he was like "wait, who told you about all this?" and i'm like "chachaheels." he's like huh? "chachaheels!!!!" I love how i'm now referring to busties in real life....
Oct 13 2006, 09:28 AM
chacha, thanks for all the info. i've checked out your links and done some more research, albeit not too in-depth. (i get easily overwhelmed by information overload ... sometimes i need flo charts and ven diagrams, hee.) and of course you're right about not accepting doctor's advice blindly, just because they're "professionals". but i do trust my doc - she's very earth mama and women-friendly - so i'm going to give the pro-gest a shot. i'm not suffering from a lot of symptoms, but i figure if it'll help me with sleeping/anxiety issues, well, that's better than self-medicating with illegal narcotics.
Oct 13 2006, 09:46 AM
(hee hee... OT again here, but: maddy, that's awesome. I still say "A friend told me that..." or "I read somewhere that..." but that's mostly b/c I don't want to blab to everyone about BUST because I don't necessarily want them on here reading what I have to say about oral sex, or whatever
oh, but, speaking of busties IRL: Pepper, you were in my dream a week or two ago! You around here?)
Oct 18 2006, 07:15 AM
So, I seem to be getting sick - the last two days I've been achey and mildly feverish (haven't taken my temp, just feel like I have a fever). Also, I have a sore throat.
Anyone have any good grandma type rememdies to keep the immune system fighting? My two standbys are:
Garlic cloves boiled in chicken broth, then you drink the broth.
Lemons and honey boiled in water.
Any other suggestions? I really don't want this to turn into a full-fledged thing.
Oct 18 2006, 07:22 AM
luna, I usually grate some ginger and steep it in hot water for about 10 minutes, strain, then add a dab of honey to sweeten - that usually really helps move some toxins out of my body...and I actually love the spicy brew!
Oct 18 2006, 07:48 AM
Good bumps for immune system strength:
Beet Kvass (I posted the recipe on this thread earlier, but I can do it again)
Plenty of rest, plenty of fluids of your choice
Some people swear by Oregano Oil dropped under the tongue once a day (but, yuck)
Nothing bumps the immune system and the whole body's vitality better than homeopathy: there is a homeopathic remedy you can get easily called Oscillococcinum. You take a dose of this at the very first sign of flu--like, when you think to yourself, "I must be coming down with something". Don't wait for your symptoms to fully develop to take a dose.
It stops flu dead. Instantly, in most cases. The tubes are small enough that you can carry them in a coat pocket, a wallet, everywhere you go--so you'll always have it handy just when you "get that feeling". If you wait and let the flu develop to a prodromal stage, it may not be the best remedy to take at that point...so make sure you remember that it works at that precise window of time where you are only exhibiting the most common, earliest symptoms of the flu--like that feverish feeling, achiness, drowsiness, and slight or full blown pain in the ears or throat.
Lunasol, if your symptoms haven't fully developed yet to where you've started to have symptoms like coughing, head pain from the fever, or a change in mood, it might still be able to end the flu for you now.
Oct 18 2006, 10:16 AM
chacha, thanks again for your perfectly timed advice! I currently have a bio-hazard co-worker sitting next to me, coughing all over my space, who refuses to go home, and I can't be sick this weekend, as I'm visiting my immune depressed momma!! I have to run up to the homeopathic shop to get some things for my mom anyhow, so I'll pick up some of those drops for myself.
Oh, and I do the oregano oil capsules...I forgot about those...but be prepared for a lot of italian seasoned burps!
Oct 18 2006, 11:16 AM
Thanks, chacha and jen! i knew you two ladies would have suggestions!
Oscillococcinum is the stuff in zicam, which is the freaking BOMB! will have to pick some up.
Oct 18 2006, 05:26 PM
Oooooh, I just found out what Zicam is....it's a pharmaceutical over the counter drug that's been recalled. One website advertising the drug recall calls it "homeopathic", but there are no homeopathic ingredients at all in the drug. Not even any potentized remedies combined--which calls itself homeopathic but isn't. Seems the harmful substance is Zinc nasal gel. This was an old-fashioned medicine to treat polio (which basically has many symptoms in common with the flu) but it causes a kind of nasal paralysis.
Lunasol, honey!! Please don't use the Zicam stuff--it's just a bad idea to put zinc in the nose this way, and I'm worried it was marketed as an allergy medicine. It's just a bad idea and it hurts people.
Oscillococcinum shouldn't be an ingredient in Zicam. It's a single substance, potentized homeopathic medicine. It's sold by a lab called Boiron, and Oscillococcinum comes in tiny little globules in 3, 6, 12, or 24 vials/box. A box of 6 is enough to last you a few seasons, and it costs about 12 dollars. And it has been tested in many laboratories, even conventional med labs. It's never been anything but completely safe--whereas the Zicam is actually at the centre of a class action suit.
Oct 18 2006, 05:56 PM
What about chicken pox? Anything I can do to protect myself from that? My sister just got it. I'm 21 and I've never gotten it and I don't have health insurance.
Oct 18 2006, 10:05 PM
that sucks for you girl. when my neighbour's kid had the pox i put her in the tub with my little and literally rubbed her on him. he got about four spots and was only out of daycare for three days, i swear it was because i was still breast feeding him.
the only prevention i know of is the vaccine but, eh, vaccines. i don't really love that whole concept very much at all.
avoid your sister and good luck!
Oct 19 2006, 03:19 AM
Chicken pox is supposed to be experienced in childhood because it's one of those diseases we should get to greatly advance the development of our immune systems. Once we get and go through this disease, we have lifelong protection from herpes viruses of all kinds. For this reason, the disease has a very high virulency--something like 80% virulence. Only the childhood diseases have this kind of virulence in healthy populations: that's because we need to go through them to get stronger, and to develop our bodies completely (particularly brain and nerve development seems tied to going through these childhood diseases and effectively resolving them).
Pepper had the right idea, as all our moms and grandmothers (and great grandmoms way back to the beginning) did. That ensured we would get the disease early when we had the resiliency to just have it and be done with it. If we've come all the way into adulthood without getting it, then that's a clear sign our immune systems have not fully developed. They are compromised.
The only way out of this problem is to go through it (sorry to pull out a cliche there). That 80% virulency rate pretty much ensures that you will get the disease if you've been exposed to it and you've never had it before (if you are still relatively healthy. If you've not had it before, and you've been exposed to it, and now you're still not getting it--then the immune system is simply not protecting you at all. I know that sounds paradoxical, but that's how it works).
I know it's inconvenient, but if you haven't been exposed to your sister then you're not likely to get the disease. If you have been, then you most likely will come down with a case of it. There's no prevention method that works, and the vaccine is just a truly effective way to get a latent, chronic form of the disease for life...which, believe me, you do not want.
If you do get the pox, you'll need plenty of rest, about 2 weeks to keep yourself out of public life, and all the immune boosters you can get ready for yourself: garlic and ginger preparations, such as soups, teas, that kind of thing; I recommend the kvass and kombuchas to help your immune system deal with the infection; oatmeal baths to help you with the skin symptoms; projects and DVDs to help you feel like you're still doing stuff/staying alert/being entertained; a way to stay in touch with friends and family who have no fear of being exposed to you (meaning, arrange for them to come see you) and a way to stay in touch with others who need to avoid you.
Oct 19 2006, 10:34 AM
Chacha, I'd like some more information on your statement, "the vaccine is just a truly effective way to get a latent, chronic form of the disease for life," referring to the varicella vaccine.
I will admit that I get a bit defensive when people are very anti-vaccine especially when they are benefitting from living in a society where most people are vaccinated. Not that I don't think there are some dangers or perhaps unknowns about them...I just think it should be acknowledged that they have saved many lives.
And I'll admit that I haven't done tons and tons of reading about them, mostly because I'm not having kids, so it's not really a decision I need to make for anyone. But I've done some reading, both more mainstream and more alt. health.
I decided to have Hep B and varicella vaccines because I'm a nurse and my incidences of exposure are higher...although, curiously, my v. titer remains negative, so I still avoid taking care of people with shingles or c. pox. It's possible that I have some kind of subclinical immunity. I'd really like to avoid shingles in my lifetime.
Anyhoo, I'd really like more info if you've got it handy, chacha! You are a wealth of information, woman.
Oct 19 2006, 11:20 AM
That statement about the varicella vaccine wasn't limited to the varicella vaccine, Amilita. It's about vaccines in general, as a concept that might have worked well but simply hasn't. I have weighed the issue extensively and really tried to keep as level headed about it as possible, even though homeopathic medicine does have a ton of documentation from case work as well as literature about vaccines and their effects dating as far back as 1884.
((((Before you discount homeopathy as a valid medical science, please consider that the homeopaths working and writing at that time were almost all, exclusively, MDs who learned and adopted homeopathy as their main mode of practice. The most well known MD who conducted research on vaccines and their effects at that time was Dr. James Compton Burnett, MD. He wrote a book called Vaccinosis in 1884; and later published his case notes in a volume called Vaccinosis and its Cure by Thuja (1897)--a collection of different cases in which he closely studied the the latent, chronic forms of small pox conveyed by the vaccine, and how patients who required Thuja, a specific homeopathic medicine individualized to these patients' cases, was used to cure the disease as it occured in each patient.))))
James Compton Burnett's writings are a good start for understanding the mechanism by which vaccination fails; more current researchers such as Harris J. Coulter have done extensive work applying that understanding towards the more modern forms of vaccinations still in use throughout the world today. Coulter's book A Shot in the Dark is more about the Measles, Mumps, and Rubella vaccines and DPT vaccines, but he also elaborates about other vaccines and their effects on human populations as forms of disease. Incredibly insidious, diseases which find expression in symptoms far more difficult to cure.
I still see a great many patients who suffer from the smallpox vaccines that were mandatory up until 1974 in Canada--it produces symptoms that are "like" smallpox--yet they appear insidiously, mostly internally, where we cannot see them and the body can't address them as easily. I also see a huge number of patients who suffer from vaccines of all kinds. I'm one of those people, unfortunately, who believes that only a small number of people benefit from vaccines--the rest of us truly suffer from them, some of us far, far more than others. The patients I have who've never been vaccinated are by far the healthiest of the lot.
Oct 19 2006, 01:56 PM
I had trouble with a neti pot--too much pressure--but better luck with the Nasaline syringe thingamajig where I can control the pressure.
Oct 19 2006, 02:28 PM
My mother exposed me to chicken pox all the time when I was a kid. I just never got it. I don't think I'm unhealthy or stupid/underdeveloped!
I don't have the time or money to sit around for 2 weeks; that's why I want to prevent this, or at least soften it. I have a full time job, full time classes, a 4.0 gpa to maintain, and bills to pay.
I know I sound bitchy but I feel insulted. I'm not some disgusting slob who sits around on my ass in front of the TV drinking soda. I eat healthy, I excersize, I drink a lot of water and get adequate sleep. My immune system should be fine.
Oct 19 2006, 03:13 PM
Sorry if you're offended by what I wrote. It wasn't meant personally; nowhere did I write that you were stupid as a result of not having chicken pox--nor did I write that you were underdeveloped. I did, however, say that the nerves fail to develop properly if chicken pox is never experienced; and that the immune system also does not develop properly if you don't succumb to the illness and resolve it.
Unfortunately, illness is not convenient; not even for children who get chicken pox when they should, as children. A lot of people like to believe that no illness equals health, but that is not the truth.
Wish I could recommend something to help you prevent it--but the only thing which provides immunity to chicken pox is having had the chicken pox as a child, and then having it resolve on its own.
Oct 19 2006, 08:13 PM
ht, it's better to get it now than when you're an old lady and it can kill ya.
i was born in '72 in canada and for some reason i missed the small pox vac. my mom did get all the others though and so many boosters and tetanus shots, ugh. seemed like i was forever stepping on rusty bits of wire. i know it isn't the rusty metal itself, just the chance of animal feces being on it and a pucture being deep enough that the bacteria would get right into the blood stream and all that... but those punctures did all happen in the country so... dirty animal poop was a good possibility.
my little has had NO vaccines and it's because i Did research it thoroughly. no way, no how is that junk going into my kid. i can't believe that crap is even LEGAL! and you wonder why people are dying of horrible diseases younger and with greater frequency these days. maybe if they weren't repeatedly injected with toxic poisonous garbage. argh! *frustrated*
Oct 19 2006, 08:47 PM
Chacha, I read what you wrote about chicken pox, and I agree with you about the immune functions to an extent. However, I had chicken pox in third grade, with many a scar to prove it, and I can definitely say having it did not protect me from "herpes viruses of all kinds." I just got diagnosed with a case of genital herpes that has pretty much blown this chickie out of the water. How I wish that it were true that I was protected by the immune boost from having the pox, but I wasn't. What are the statistics behind that information (I ask out of true curiosity, not smarminess)?
Oct 19 2006, 08:49 PM
Hii girls I'M BACK!
Well what I've been doing this whole time? Dumb things. Not working and having fun haha!
Anyways, i'm writing in this thread because I don't know where else I can talk about this. But....have any og you tried the chinese diet tea? It's MURDEROUS. I took it 5 hours ago and I feel like a little alien is going to come out of my belly anytime soon! I wonder, does it really work? I've been using it for like a month now(not everyday, my belly would explode) but I don't see any results, I don't know what's wrong with me :'(
Oct 20 2006, 04:10 AM
Sounds like the "chinese tea diet" doesn't work.
I always see mispellings on those tea box labels calculated to make you believe you'll lose a ton of weight if you buy it. For some reason, they always say "sliming" instead of slimming. I just assume that's advance warning.
Kelkello, you've got to read a lot of medical textbooks about various varicella diseases and their role in the body's development. I've cited two books for Amilita that will give you more information, if you're interested, as those are a good place to start and they both cite peer-reviewed studies supporting their own findings. I didn't say having chicken pox gave you immunity to all the varicella diseases; but wholly developed, fully functioning nerves in a body which has developed life long immunity to the chicken pox through exposure and resolution of the disease is protected from herpes in a way those who have never been exposed to the disease will never be. Why? Because the immune system in that body has had a chance to develop; and the body has has also changed and grown as a result of that immune system development.
I do want to add, however, that many people did have the chicken pox but never actually resolved the disease on their own. In so many cases--especially in my generation and afterwards--children were given a ton of suppressive drugs to "treat" the disease. Now parents are often given prescriptions for acyclovir, which would suppress the symptoms and actually interfere with what the immune system is trying to do to resolve the disease; and the disease just goes deeper. So the body simply becomes less capable of healing itself, and therefore, unhealthy; even though no visible or outward symptoms exist.
So, yes, you contracted a case of sexually transmitted herpes, and that's unfortunate. You'll only be able to speculate on this, but perhaps your experience of the herpes you contracted could have been far worse than it was, or could have been far more extensive or long lasting, or far more invasive (as in, you could have had a case so bad it would also bring about something like shingles. Very, very painful). It could also appear far more often than it does, and last much longer each time it makes an appearance.
Again--and to stress the obvious: never having an illness DOES NOT indicate health: it does, however, indicate a very strong possibility that the body is incapable of actively dealing with disease as a process where the body creates symptoms, goes through the disease, and cures itself.
It's the body's ability to be resilient--to get sick and then heal itself--which denotes good health. The immune system plays a role in this and benefits from this process because it continuously develops and collects information from this process which allows the body to avoid become susceptible over and over again to the same diseases.
That said, it's certainly a great idea to do a lot of research on vaccines before subjecting yourself or your children to them. And it's important to get an alternative treatment method in place so that you can deal with illnesses effectively and in a healthy, holistic way--not to pretend that choosing not to vaccinate will simply ensure full health. Homeopathy's a great medical system--inexpensive, highly effective, safe, and there are many qualified practitioners out there as long as you educate yourself about what homeopathy is and isn't. Chicken pox is an extremely easy disease to treat with homeopathy--but, again, you need to have a remedy chosen only for you which will give your body the push it needs to heal itself (and, yes, what works like magic for one person won't necessarily do the trick for another with the same disease because the remedy always has to be individualized. So I can't just throw out a remedy name for chicken pox cause it doesn't work that way).
Hellotampon, I'd like to suggest homeopathy as a treatment which will speed healing up tremendously should you come down with the chicken pox. But for it to be effective, you've got to see a classical homeopath who can take your case and find you the remedy you need. You won't be sick very long if you take this route--quite possibly you'll get the first symptoms, which you'll have to report to your homeopath, and from that information you can work out what the remedy could be. If it's what we call the similimum to your case, you'll be done with the disease and actually, finally, immune to it within hours.
Pepper, you may have missed that vaccine because it was required if you travelled out of the country. Up until 1975, if you were leaving Canada to go overseas, you had to get that shot. I remember getting mine in the airport just before going to Italy my first time. One of my patients has a similar memory--being given a smallpox shot which caused all kinds of complications for her trip (it became infected, she had to be treated with all kinds of anti-biotics and saw all kinds of foreign doctors. Oddly enough, she was never, ever well after she got that shot--long into her adult years! And to find the right remedy for her, I had to choose one that addressed the fact that her health never recovered from the day that injection took place, decades earlier.
Oct 20 2006, 10:18 AM
Good Morning Girlz-
Does anyone have knowledge of an herbal remedy/supplement for depression. I believe my husband is suffering and I am at my wits end. I really would like to help him as his condition is negatively affecting his life and our relationship. He is so sad all the time, swears its not me.............
Anyhoo, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Oct 20 2006, 10:50 AM
luniluna, i've been taking st john's wort 5Xs daily and it seems to be elevating my mood somewhat. i certainly don't feel as good as i normally do but it's taking the edge off the depressive symptoms at least. i hear good things about SAM-e and 5htp as well.
Oct 20 2006, 10:55 AM
Thanks, Pepper. I'll check into it.
Oct 22 2006, 06:48 AM
Depression--if this is truly what your husband has--is a chronic and serious illness, and it should never be treated with medications that are self-prescribed. If you are interested in using an herbal treatment for depression, then the best place to start with that would be by seeking out a qualified, experienced herbalist and having that fully trained professional take and fully manage your case. But be aware: if someone is suffering from sadness that is a result of a recent traumatic accident, or loss, or misfortune--they may not be suffering from depression so much as mourning. People need to do this and grieve. Trying to stop that process is unwise and a threat to future health, so be sure what you're dealing with is actually depression and not a fitting, to-be-expected human reaction to a specific turn of events.
St. John's Wort may work well for some people, and for others it will cause a multitude of problems. I know from my own experience in practice that its use as an herbal medicine often causes side effects no one wants and people are never warned about these. As well, you will never be told this by someone who sells you the herb over the counter at a drug store or a health food store--but people who are trained and skilled in botanical medicine never let the use of a medicine go on unsupervised and indefinitely. Herbs are meant to be used on a short term, limited basis--and their effects are meant to be monitored closely. As well, getting your herbs from an herbalist who knows how to choose the highest quality plants for medicinal use will get you far superior results than just buying a cheap old standardized packaged version of the herb extract from your drugstore shelf.
Finally, St. John's Wort may work well for some people under the right conditions. But I guarantee you it is not the only appropriate herbal medicine to employ to treat depression; chances are excellent another herb would be better suited to any one particular patient. It's all about individualized treatment with natural medicines; if you're unwilling or uninterested to undergo proper treatment, it's usually far better for you to save your money or limit your explorations of possible alternatives to treatments that are better suited for unsupervised, over the counter use. There are many of these types of treatments out there--you just need to learn how to use these treatments properly yourself.
One of these other options include Bach Flower remedies, which are also meant to be used in the short term (far better results are bound to come out of working with an actual homeopath who uses them...but you can still use them yourself). You can learn quite a bit about how to use these easily--simply buy a book explaining how they're made and how they are meant to be administered, which describes how you can choose the right remedy to use in the case.
Keep in mind again that if you are dealing with a chronic disease you do need to work with a health care professional very well trained in that alternative medical modality. At the very least.
Getting counselling and maybe supportive treatment from a psychologist is also never a bad idea--I always suggest to my patients that they seek out a counsellor to work with them even as they go through treatment with homeopathy--more support is always better than less; and it is much easier for a patient to get well (especially from depression) if they feel they have more people working with them to this end as opposed to fewer.
Nutritional support can also be obtained to help the body function optimally--this always helps with depression and sadness too. Supplementing with omega 3 and 6 fatty acids is an excellent way to help the body encourage better emotional balance. Flax seed oil or fish oils for omega 3's; and Borage oil or oil of evening primrose for omega 6's--these are easy to find in your health food store. Make sure you buy the highest quality, purest cold pressed/ expeller pressed oils you can find (for the plant oils) and the purest deep and cold water fish oil you can find as well. Cod Liver oil is also a big boost for the diet which helps a great deal with stabilizing moods. Of course, eliminating all the processed, refined, and fast-foods from the diet makes a huge difference in elevating mood, simply because we end up removing so many damaging foods from the body's daily intake of nutrients.
Oct 22 2006, 06:54 PM
I am taking Sam-e at the recommendation of another Bustie, and it has changed my life. It's a supplement that is made of a naturally occurring molecule in the body. It elevates mood with no side effects (unless you have a history of mania...apparently it can make manic episodes worse). Since I started taking 400 mg every morning, I feel fine. Not weird, not giddy, not like I'm floating around in a hazy bubble (like I did with seratonin drugs). I just feel like me. I feel more equipped to handle the world. It's been prescribed in Europe for years, but the FDA wouldn't approve it as a prescription here, but it is available as a supplement. You can get it at Target, Wal-Mart or a GNC. Many reputable schools and medical sources have researched Sam-e, and it is highly recommended and effective. It's not as cheap as other supplements: About $30 for a month's supply. But it's worth it to me. I could get a prescription for Prozac or Zoloft for $10 a month, but then I'd have no emotions and want to sit on my sofa and stare at the TV. No, $30 is worth it to me.