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KikiRose
post Feb 10 2012, 12:20 PM
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I would be lying if I said I never followed any sort of celebrity news but I understand that it's absolutely problematic. It's no coincidence that the lives of females are scrutinized no matter what they choose to do or how they choose to look. The men in Hollywood are never given as much criticism. Men can gain or lose weight without the same implications put upon women.


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post Feb 7 2012, 10:18 PM
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post Feb 3 2012, 08:13 AM
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post Jan 16 2008, 11:21 PM
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excellent post, spiderella.


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post Jan 8 2008, 12:33 PM
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post Dec 18 2007, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE(i_am_jan @ Dec 18 2007, 04:32 AM) *
I just mean that it seems to be a fire that's fueled to the point where it's getting out of control. I guess I'm just sick of it. People at work ask me if I heard the latest on Lindsey ? whomever and I just go "who? I'm sorry, I don't know her" then when they persist I go "I'm sorry, I don't know who you're talking about." And it just sounds ignorant to me...for instance, my (retired, senior citizen) dad informed me on a visit with him recently that it was B Speers' birthday. I was like "huh?" I mean, I was raised in a *very* conservative and "christian" household...do we really have to talk about Hollywood here in Ohio? Really I'm just venting... peace out all~

Yeah, I hear you. I say burn hollywood to the f*cking ground and keep it out of, not just ohio, but every household around the globe because we all don't need it invading our con(sub)sciousness. It's a prop to keep certain patriarchal, classist, racist, sexist, nationalist, and maybe impeding fascist agenda in place. And/or simply to just keep people dumb down and oblivious.
Luckily I do not work with people who ask me about the latest celebrity news. Although, I do oogle at it on my comcast homepage, which keeps me up to tempo with the rest of pop culture just enough to bullshit with people from time to time. And that's nice--to be able to shoot the shit with people who I might otherwise have nothing to talk about with.


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post Dec 18 2007, 06:15 AM
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I just mean that it seems to be a fire that's fueled to the point where it's getting out of control. I guess I'm just sick of it. People at work ask me if I heard the latest on Lindsey ? whomever and I just go "who? I'm sorry, I don't know her" then when they persist I go "I'm sorry, I don't know who you're talking about." And it just sounds ignorant to me...for instance, my (retired, senior citizen) dad informed me on a visit with him recently that it was B Speers' birthday. I was like "huh?" I mean, I was raised in a *very* conservative and "christian" household...do we really have to talk about Hollywood here in Ohio? Really I'm just venting... peace out all~
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post Dec 16 2007, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE(i_am_jan @ Dec 15 2007, 01:26 PM) *
But my real question is: where do we draw the line? I mean...

next thing we know it's spread to Katie Couric, and now that there's a woman doing a big news show, she's talked down...

then, Maxim magazine does an article on the 5 UNsexiest women...and Sarah Jessica Parker and Madonna make the top 5?


Can you explain further? I don't get what you mean here?



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post Dec 15 2007, 03:09 PM
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neurotic nelly: yep. I agree completely. (I love the metaphor of media as a loud, gossipy woman). It also seems oddly pornographic to me though. Like talking these women down and making them laughing stocks. They're all dressed up looking sexy and then the media looks like a loud group of ___??___ doing a big gossipy circle jerk over them? I mean, aren't these the very same women who are the "most searched" women on the internet for photos?

But my real question is: where do we draw the line? I mean...

next thing we know it's spread to Katie Couric, and now that there's a woman doing a big news show, she's talked down...

then, Maxim magazine does an article on the 5 UNsexiest women...and Sarah Jessica Parker and Madonna make the top 5?
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post Dec 14 2007, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE(i_am_jan @ Dec 14 2007, 10:53 AM) *
Is anyone else getting tired of hearing young blonde celebrity women being talked down constantly?

Why is it okay to constantly scrutinize their bodies, their personal choices, whether it be marriage, divorce, pregnancy, what they wear, the color of their hair, who they go out with?

Why does this same thing not happen to young male celebrities? I mean with the way things go, you would think Ryan Phillipee, Nick Lacheey, Justin Timberlate, Jake Gyllenhaal, whomever would be ripe for the picking (on).

It seems to me that talking these women down makes it okay for us to be judgmental of women in everyday life. And for men to be as well.

Why do we act as though women are not capable of making good decisions? Or as though we have some right to be all in their business about the ones they do make?

Do men follow our lead? Is one of the reasons men feel it's acceptable to pick us apart and disrespect us because we allow this to go on? We set an example?

I mean ~ what's up? If you ask me, this is totally a feminist issue.


My opinion is that "young blonde celebrity" (I'll ad very thin) women are put on a peddlestool, while also being tore down from that peddlestool through constant scrutiny. This constant scrutiny comes with the territory of being a celebrity. It happens to male celebs too. Unfortunately, women are targeted more frequently because we live in a sexist society and the media reflects that. If you are a young woman celebrity, especially white, your body is under more scrutiny from jump. Everything else that can be scrutinized, will be.

"Do men follow our lead? Is one of the reasons men feel it's acceptable to pick us apart and disrespect us because we allow this to go on?" Yes. Whateva you give out, except, and deem as normal is what you will get back. Unfortunately.

"It seems to me that talking these women down makes it okay for us to be judgmental of women in everyday life. And for men to be as well." In some ways, the media is one big loud gossipy woman just giving us what we want.





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post Dec 14 2007, 12:36 PM
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Is anyone else getting tired of hearing young blonde celebrity women being talked down constantly?

Why is it okay to constantly scrutinize their bodies, their personal choices, whether it be marriage, divorce, pregnancy, what they wear, the color of their hair, who they go out with?

Why does this same thing not happen to young male celebrities? I mean with the way things go, you would think Ryan Phillipee, Nick Lacheey, Justin Timberlate, Jake Gyllenhaal, whomever would be ripe for the picking (on).

It seems to me that talking these women down makes it okay for us to be judgmental of women in everyday life. And for men to be as well.

Why do we act as though women are not capable of making good decisions? Or as though we have some right to be all in their business about the ones they do make?

Do men follow our lead? Is one of the reasons men feel it's acceptable to pick us apart and disrespect us because we allow this to go on? We set an example?

I mean ~ what's up? If you ask me, this is totally a feminist issue.
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post Jan 24 2007, 03:44 PM
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In Jane magazine. they published a bunch of positive letters about using an Asian model in a fashion layout. I thought the model was beautiful, but didn't think of her as a Asian girl being used as a statement, just a pretty model. It seemed funny how the letters were praising Jane for using an Asian girl, when it shouldn't be that unusual.

I've seen Eva Pigford on the cover of a magazine, I don't remember which one. I never saw Danielle on the cover of ElleGirl or Seventeen.
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post Jan 24 2007, 12:37 PM
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(cross-post with "Bustie of Color")

I have a question for you ladies, but first I have to give some background:

Besides Bust and Venus, I don't buy any "women's" magazines. I think they are stupid and generalize women as blind sheep and rabid consumers. I do remember hearing (and it has become quite obvious) that women's mags practically never have a woman of color on their covers because "they don't sell". I also realized that when dark girls win America's Next Top model, they get featured inside a mag but don't get the cover, yet Nicole and Caridee (white girls that won) DO get a cover. What the hell is that!?!

Because this pissed me off so much, I started to purposely buy any major mag that had the guts to use a woman of color as their cover girl. I got a TeenVogue with a black covermodel a while back, and recently bought Lucky cuz Rosario Dawson was on it. I skimed through the mags, and I felt lobodimized! The content was sickingly vapid! So it made me ask myself if I had the right decision. Does buying these mags when they have a dark covergirl really making a difference? Or am I just supporting these stupid magazines by buying them at all? I'm really interested in other opinions.

ETA: (by the way, I lurve that Lily Allen article)


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post Jan 17 2007, 01:34 PM
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Hey Betsy!! I totally saw this on Girlistic's blog awhile back. I nearly peed my pants laughing at that last part about her maiden name.

Fantastic!!!!


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post Jan 13 2007, 09:37 AM
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I don't really have much to add to any of this--I think spinderella's very insightful about cartoons--except that all of it is the reason why I don't own a tv. If i did, I'd chuck it as soon as my kids were born.


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post Jan 9 2007, 08:00 AM
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a great quote from this NY Times article , titled "Doctors Fault Designers’ Stance Over Thin Models " :

“Their response looks like a P.R. cover on a real problem,” Ms. Grefe said. “It is like saying tobacco advertising does not cause lung cancer.”

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post Dec 18 2006, 11:49 AM
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i've just been terribly annoyed with the invention of this show "the bad girls club" or whatever it is called. it is on oxygen from the creators of the real world. it is basically making money off of women being catty with one another. i know there are other shows similar. but, this show just grates on my nerves.


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post Dec 13 2006, 10:27 PM
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Oh yeah, I love the powerpuff girls.. (except for their baby voices).

Yeah "fun and friendly... for men" is true, sadly. I am a teacher in a girls' school and my students just don't get that male gaze idea. They are taught on one hand that it is a kind of power to perform for men in that way, but they don't seem to see the objectification they are buying into. At school dances they mimic/replicate the moves being projected by the VJ. Of course the guys love that. Even women's magazines look like they are directed at men half the time.
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post Dec 13 2006, 06:28 PM
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I agree with you spiderella but at the same time, elsewhere in popular culture, young women are being taught that sex is fun and friendly in music videos and advertising... a little too fun and friendly, perhaps???

The stuff directed at adults is a little different. For girls/adolescents, female characters in teen dramas and such are told again and again that sex is this path fraught with danger, that somehow your life is going to be ruined if you have sex. There's this idea that young women are innocent and don't know what they're getting into. That comes along with this assumption that she's doing it for the guy, or being manipulated by the guy, etc - the idea that a girl would actually come up with the idea herself is totally inconceivable.

Also, I think most music videos and advertisements are directed at men. Women dancing on cars and getting champaigne poured on them seems fun and friendly...for men. It's not really meant for female consumption, even though women watch them. And yeah, young women will look at that and go, "yeah, that looks fun," but that's because they're engaging in the male gaze. *feminist jargon* biggrin.gif

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On the topics of sexism (but not sexuality) in cartoons, I remember in 1999 (not so long ago!) I saw this episode of The Flintstones, where Wilma got a job outside the home. She didn't have Fred's dinner made on time and the cleaning wasn't up to scratch so Fred trashed the joint, smashed furniture up and stuff! I still can't believe they broadcast that!

Yeah, a lot of the old Hannah Barbara cartoons are really messed up in that department! I remember an episode of the Jetsons that was all about how the mother was a terrible driver - why? Cause she's a woman. And every time she cut somebody off, some man in a car would say, "Ugh! Lady drivers!" (I remember an episode of the Munsters that had the same theme - the mother sucked at driving, and people would complain, "Lady drivers!") It is hard to believe they're still broadcasting that stuff.

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So what DO people have their children watch?? Miyazaki films are quite cool in terms of their representation of female heroes etc... what else is good?

My little sister watches this show called something like, "My Life As A Teenage Robot," about a robot girl named Jenny. It's great - she's got super strength and she saves the boys. There's another one my sister likes called "The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy," about a boy and a girl who keep the grim reaper as a pet. The girl, Mandy, is a great character - she's a tough little cookie in a pink dress who's not afraid of anybody. I think someone here has an icon of her? And I've always thought the Power Puff Girls were cool.

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By the way spiderella, I like your avatar. It reminds me of Shirley Manson from Garbage: it was an awakening the first time I saw her perform live, that's for sure!!!

Thanks. And Garbage rocks! biggrin.gif
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