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sixelacat
post Jun 29 2007, 09:15 PM
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This always becomes a chicken-or-the-egg dilemma for me. I mean, it seems like the industry is creating the market, but if people didn't SAY they want the product by actually purchasing it in profitable quantities, then the "beauty" industry would find something else to sell. I just don't think that the people creating/manufacturing stuff are doing anything but playing up to a fantasy demanded by the majority. And the majority seems to respond with a strong undercurrent of resentment, because both parties know on an unnamed level that it IS just a fantasy. But it's not the beauty industry's responsibility to call out the public, because they have never been dishonest about their goal: making money. Does anybody on earth think that Revlon is a not-for-profit? Of course not. And would their products sell if their marketing strategy was based on the slogan "Let's face it, we're ALL gonna die. And if we're lucky, we'll be old when it happens." So a multi-billion dollar industry springs up from a demand that a profitable majority would rather not think about aging and death. So who's at fault?


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post Jun 29 2007, 09:27 AM
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nick i saw that commercial and was horrified. i've always thought those laugh lines were amazingly sexy on a woman. but then, i like not skinny girls, and think grey hair is pretty damn hot.... obviously, i'm insane...


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post Jun 29 2007, 08:28 AM
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nick--I didn't mean turning away as a way of fixing the problem, rather turning away and not buying into it. Like I would consider Bust alternative media. If more and more people would refuse to believe the advertising or buy these garbage magazines, it would begin to lose it's power. Also, the more alternative media (and books) there is, the more the "beauty" industry is exposed as the farce that it is.
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nickclick
post Jun 29 2007, 07:54 AM
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yes, i agree beauty standards are totally made up and commercially driven. (did you see the new TV ad for some goop that's supposed to erase those "parenthesis" on the side of your mouth? i mean, they're literally making up "flaws" for us to buy shit to fix. and finding ways to try to make us look as close as possible to plastic dolls. i happen to like that it looks like i smile often, btw!)

but, is just looking the other way at alternative media the way to fix mainstream media's obsession with white young skinny perfect women?

the same question can be (and has been on these boards i'm sure) posed for mainstream porn, hip-hop, video games, etc....
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silverhalide
post Jun 28 2007, 02:38 PM
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you have to remember that a large part of advertising is based on convincing the public that they are flawed--that you are in need of improvement..it's all bullshit. Makeup etc..isn't the problem really, rather how it is advertised. The type of "beauty" that is promoted in most mainstream mags is computer generated imagery that really isn't even real. That's the danger. Media Literacy, folks. Beauty is advertised as being so homogenious and fascist. Just find your own style, whatever expresses who you are on the inside and roll with it. Don't let anyone or anything tell you how you should look. I always liked looking to musicians/artists for style inspiration, they are usually the most creative, real and original. Atleast those outside the mainstream. Mornington, I love wardrobe remix! There are so many unique shades of style out there. Be creative gals! Fashion/Makeup is taken waaay too seriously. It's meant to be something to have fun with, not the be all end all of your self worth. However, most mags/advertising don't want you to believe that.
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mornington
post Jun 28 2007, 01:26 PM
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anna, that's part of the reason why I like reading street style blogs, like wardrobe_remix on flickr and the sartorialist. They're real people - taken either by themselves or in the street - and I love to get style ideas from there. And a big smile or a confident pose is more beautiful than any airbrushed model.

I'd love to see more "honest" pictures in magazines too; while I too want to know how to style my hair a particular way (or whatever) I find I get frustrated because I can't get it to look like that exactly. While I know full well I'm not a supermodel, and it's simply not possible to look like the magazine images, to a part of my mind it doesn't matter - that is what i should look like, but i don't.

The mocking of the latest beauty icon looking "rough" is at once relieving - they're no longer perfect - but because they're mocked, i somehow find it makes the beauty standards more unobtainable; if the perfect face can't look like that, how am I supposed to be able to?
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anna k
post Jun 28 2007, 08:14 AM
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seriously. someone's more beautiful when she's seen and done things in her life, when she's accomplished something, when she's proud. not just because she can afford the latest chemical peel or diet guru.


I try to tell myself that sometimes when I get jealous of a pretty actress in a magazine. But I do like cutting out pictures of pretty girls and admiring their style or the photograph.
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nickclick
post Jun 28 2007, 07:42 AM
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QUOTE(sukouyant @ Jun 27 2007, 10:56 PM) *
I would love to see more honest images out there though. Scars are beautiful.

seriously. someone's more beautiful when she's seen and done things in her life, when she's accomplished something, when she's proud. not just because she can afford the latest chemical peel or diet guru.

this isn't to say i don't like looking at photos of pretty girls in magazines. and i do want to know how to get my hair shiny or apply a smoky eye. there's just gotta be a better way than making models and actresses into half-alive mannequins.
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sukouyant
post Jun 27 2007, 08:39 PM
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Cool question. I think most people here will agree that the tendency to hold impossible standards up as beauty standards is probably commercially driven, cosmetics industry driven. There are other ways to see beauty that have nothing to do with youth, poreless skin, or flaxen hair. (Remember when your mother was the most beautiful woman in the world?) Anyone with eyes to see can see that much.

However in American culture, celebrities who look real, caught without makeup, tired after a long day, didn't pluck her eyebrows, whatever, are held up to be mocked and degraded for it and generally people cheerfully join in.

It seems like there's so much anger towards women who are propped up by the media as beauty icons, that people are quite willing to tear down those same icons when they step out of line.

I would love to see more honest images out there though. Scars are beautiful.
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post Jun 27 2007, 04:41 PM
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My Finnish relatives send over magazines from Helsinki all the time. They don't use airbrushing or photoshop to transform skin or bodies into these unrealistic images in many of the 'zines! Now, this is great and isn't suprising considering this is a country with a female president. On the other hand, there are still images of women that have immaculate make-up and stunning bodies. Then you can tell that the American celebrities that have been interviewed for articles sent over their own photographs that are so redone Nemo is more realistic.
So my point and question is this: If we are given the choice to see photos of our favorite celebs or models wearing the latest trends, how would we react and treat each side of the spectrum? Would we still lean toward our unattainable media ideals of beauty or would we embrace the face with wrinkles, melasma, childhood chicken pox scars, blackheads?


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post Jun 1 2007, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(_octinoxate @ May 2 2007, 11:12 PM) *
While I can definitely agree that that sort of crap is terrible, for many reasons...
...at the same time, I find myself in a way being pleased to see it- just because it feels kind of good to know that the women we're all shown as the "ideal" are actually normal people, too (who just happen to have extremely tricky make up artists).
I also have to say that so many of them looked SO much more beautiful in their natural state, instead of having their faces painted on to them.

mornington's post, in contrast, is so encouraging! thanks for sharing that!


::: I have to agree that most of those women are beautiful without makeup on. I rarely wear makeup, and I not because I have flawless skin or poreless skin or ivory baby-skin. I don't wear it b/c I don't know how to apply it correctly, and end up looking a LOT worse!!! smile.gif

I love natural skin so much more than make up! But that's just me. I think some women look gorgeous with loads of it.
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knorl05
post May 8 2007, 03:52 PM
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whoa that shit is evil. i just checked that link hellotampon. although i hate hollywood, they are still people, and i hate people being trashed even more. especially goldie hawn? that's awful.


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post May 8 2007, 03:39 PM
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girlygirl: unfortunately i think anyone who does not live in a bubble has experienced the pressure to be perfect.. maybe men dont have to face scrutiny regarding their bodies, but they still do have standards and conditioning that is imposed on them that they feel they must live up to as well. gay men and 'sensitive' men in particular constantly have to battle the GI joe misconception.. many have told me that society expects them to be raging frat boy meat heads in order to be considered a 'real man'. just different ideas of not only what is considered the ideal, but then also how the individual interprets that how it influences and ultimately constructs their self image.

i would agree that it is complete bullshit that whole celebrities without makeup article. it's ridiculous how people place such importance on this stuff.. i mean, really, dont they have anything better to do with their time than relish in other's imperfections?


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post May 3 2007, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(nickclick @ May 3 2007, 02:36 PM) *
check out Popular Photography blog that explains the camera tricks used for the pics of celebrities without makeup (many of the same women in the previous link) in People mag's recent Most Beautiful issue.

At least the photos in the link hellot posted were more honest! But yeah, the comments should say how the look so much like you and me, and how they're still beautiful without gobs of mascara and fake tanner.



That link was good. I think it was totally unfair to make such mean comments about those women without their make up on. I would like to see what the bunch of fools who came up with them look like without makeup.

This is why i am over Perez Hilton and Trent on PITNB. I get especially offended hearing those comments from men, gay or straight, they will NEVER experience the pressure to be perfect.


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post May 3 2007, 10:36 AM
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I'm pretty much with everyone else - the comments were uncalled for, but there's always a slight thrill to seeing "beautiful celebrities" looking normal, and not caked in a layer of paint. They're still beautiful, but real as well. nick's link also goes to show that people can be beautiful without makeup - even if every camera trick under the sun is being used.

I don't think it helps a lot of girls - just reinforces the message that you're hideous without makeup but you're still not going to be pretty enough.
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nickclick
post May 3 2007, 08:19 AM
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check out Popular Photography blog that explains the camera tricks used for the pics of celebrities without makeup (many of the same women in the previous link) in People mag's recent Most Beautiful issue.

At least the photos in the link hellot posted were more honest! But yeah, the comments should say how the look so much like you and me, and how they're still beautiful without gobs of mascara and fake tanner.
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post May 2 2007, 09:02 PM
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I agree that its a good thing to see that celebrities are not perfect, but it is completely unnecessary to make detrimental comments about how they shouldn't even go outside. I mean, it seems like what people don't like is seeing how human celebrities are. Although I personally appreciate seeing some human flaws in them, some people prefer the fantasy.


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post May 2 2007, 08:55 PM
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While I can definitely agree that that sort of crap is terrible, for many reasons...
...at the same time, I find myself in a way being pleased to see it- just because it feels kind of good to know that the women we're all shown as the "ideal" are actually normal people, too (who just happen to have extremely tricky make up artists).
I also have to say that so many of them looked SO much more beautiful in their natural state, instead of having their faces painted on to them.

mornington's post, in contrast, is so encouraging! thanks for sharing that!
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post Apr 30 2007, 11:22 AM
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that's awful.
no wonder so many of those girls have problems, with that kind of shit.
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post Apr 29 2007, 03:47 PM
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http://tuvida.aol.com/moda-y-belleza/fotos...without-make-up

The editorial comments next to the photo are so insulting.
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