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post Nov 16 2006, 10:08 PM
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post Nov 16 2006, 08:48 PM
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Kefir is like a yogurt drink...it's lighter and more like a smoothie but it's pro-biotic and you can probably get it at your grocery. Definitely at a more whole foods-ish type of grocery.

Oh, and tampons do not contain asbestos. You can do a search on Snopes if you're curious. But I stopped using them because I hear they're not that great for your vaginal health.
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post Nov 16 2006, 07:17 PM
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The only problem I can think of with the tampons is what I said on here a long time ago. I read in an article that tampons carry asbestos or something like that. But, I like your idea. I've used a Q-Tip but obviously, it doesn't hold enough.

I'm really not doing anything about it right now except dealing with it. I'm not having sex at the moment, so I figure, what difference does it make. I don't smell the fish at the present time either, just a funky crappy smell, and that's only if I try to smell it.

DO NOT BY ENZARA. It's crap, and does not work. AT ALL. And no response when I tried to get a refund.
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post Nov 16 2006, 07:03 PM
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Ughhhh... I am so glad I found this forum. I am 18 and I am pretty sure I have BV or some form of it. I have a discharge that comes out watery and the smell is disgusting. Sorry to be so graphic. I also do not know if I have a UTI or if the discomfort when urinating is coming form the infection because the discomfort is not consistent. I also have a cloudy urine. I hate this.. I am a virgin (except to toys.. lol) so I know it is not an STD and I am so scared to go to the doctor. I have never been to a gynecologist before and I am so embarrassed of the smell plus I have social anxiety disorder... which makes it even worse sad.gif I REALLY do not want to go to the doctor. But I heard if it goes untreated I may not ever be able to have children. So there pretty much is no way of curing this without going to the doc huh?
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post Nov 16 2006, 02:53 PM
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Thanks for the kind words . I'm thinking I might go back on metrogel for a while. I have a ton from my last RX cause it was for 6 weeks w/refills. It's just so messy and inconvienent with having to always wash the applicators. I even e-mailed the mayo clinic today ( I'm in MN ) cause I went to the site to look for clinical trials or new info and NOTHING. the only infor given was the standard anti-biotic, wipe from front to back, may or may not be sex related, go see your gyno crap. I expected so much more from them...

Klee, remind me what kefir is again and where I can get it?
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post Nov 16 2006, 01:54 PM
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Eralc - I haven't used Enzara but I think the consensus around here is that's it's a rip-off. I understand how frustrated you are, as I'm sure we all do.

What I might suggest if your symptoms are really bad, is to go to the doctor and get a RX for flagyll or whatever works best for you. It will knock it out and once you get things settled in terms of yeast and whatnot, try to do some preventative things such as the HP douches after your period. I never had good results w/taking probiotics. It seems to make things worse for me. I thought drinking kefir seemed to have better results though - and it might be important after antibiotics. But right now I'm drinking Emergen-C which includes B 6 & 12 as well as loads of C. And I drink lots of water.
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post Nov 16 2006, 01:03 PM
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I just found this site a few days ago and am so relieved that I am NOT the only one dealing with this/I thought I was going to lose my mind/Ive been reading through all of your posts and the different treatments. The peroxide is something I hadnt heard of BUT like the rest of you I will try ANYTHING at this point/So today I got to thinking about an easier way to to the peroxide and I decided to use a tampon(which I know arent really good to use )and completely soak it with the peroxide and, although its a bit messy i was able to insert it as far up as possible and i left it there for about 30 minutes or so and just wore a pad/I have already noticed a difference...the smell was gone which totally floored me/ Im going to try this a couple times a day for a few days and see if this will do the trick and ontop of that I had just read about a probiotic called Jarrow Fem Dophilus that I have ordered online/i read about it in one of my womens magazines and hopefully it will help keep this in check/If anyone else out there has tried this probiotic that ive mentioned please let me know how it worked for you/I know we are all different but id still like to hear/ALSO im a little worried about using the peroxide in this manner and am not sure if i could be doing damage to myself or not so if anyone knows any reason why this may not a good idea pleas please let me know that as well/i am so desperate to be well again/im 45 and i have been dealing with this for so many years and like all of you have been through the same circle of BV/yeast infections over and over again/
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post Nov 16 2006, 12:35 PM
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For those of you who have tried enzara, how well did it work? how much did you pay? If it didn't work did you get a refund? (the website promises one). I'm thinking of trying it, I'm so frustrated that the HP and probiotics didn't help.
I'm back at square one with the symptoms as bad as ever. This is ruining my life I swear, you have no idea (or I guess you all do) how depressed it makes me to have such a platonic relationship with my boyfriend and to feel rotten and defective all the time. Even when I know he's willing to have sex regardless I just can't because it's impossible to get in the mood when I know how things will turn out, it makes me feel disgusting. It's like I'm half a woman. And god damn it I want oral sex again!
Where has everyone been? did everyone find something that worked but me?!?
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post Nov 15 2006, 05:39 PM
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I notice that my discharge is a little lumpy right after the HP washes. I think it's the yeast reacting to the HP. But it's been about hmmm...maybe two weeks since my 3 day stint of holding the HP for 3 mins in the vag. It's still all clear. I've been taking a break from yogurt and trying to eat more whole grains, quinoa at the moment, and drinking Emergen-C every day. Also had sex last weekend. Everything is good but I still need to wait and see after my period. Still smoking though...ergh.
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post Nov 15 2006, 05:36 PM
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jewelscando:Girl you are so CRAZY! LOL! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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post Nov 14 2006, 02:47 PM
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Just looking for some advice/opinions here... I've been doing the HP douches and using probiotics orally and vaginally daily for about two weeks now. the only changes I've seen is that about two or three days ago the discharge went from a thin milky red/brown (Finished my period about a week ago) to the light but bright yellow green color I usually associate with the infection. The smell isn't as noticable, and the discharge was a little lumpy when i first noticed the change. ANYWAY... should I continue with the probiotics for a while and see where this goes or give the kitten a rest for a while? I've got 2 days worth of the probiotics left and it was like $43 for the bottle of 30. Any Input?

P.s. I did miss a day on sunday of treatment because i was sick. could this have anything to do with it?
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post Nov 13 2006, 03:30 AM
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Anatomy definitely has something to do with making us prone to reinfection. There are some ways to minimize this--such as avoiding the use of tampons (the strings tend to act as a conduit of infection back into the body), so does the way you clean yourself after a bowel movement. This is one of the reasons bidets are really kind of necessary in every bathroom--but they've never really caught on in North America.

BV poses a lot of problems for women because you won't find a lot of time being spent in research or treatment of women's illnesses in general in conventional medicine. This is quite a long and well documented fact, and really not much has changed even though conventional medicine now has as many female doctors as male doctors. Fact is money isn't set aside for research in this area of medicine.

Which leaves you the typical options: exhaust the possibilities in this form of treatment, then do some research and find out how alternate forms of medical treatment approach the same problem. I definitely think BV is curable--it's just not very likely to be treated effectively using the conventional approaches because the conventional approach doesn't actually consider the BV as an ailment taking place IN THE CONTEXT of your over all health picture; so it often recurs, comes back worse, or disappears and reappears as a deeper infection that's much harder to treat.


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post Nov 12 2006, 11:30 PM
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jewels: Mine doesn't really smell like fish either. I'm not sure what it smells like...just bad. My rash is under control after my dermatologist gave me a topical antibiotic so it wasn't boric acid caused either.

I'm going to try the hydrogen peroxide soon as well.

I also wonder sometimes if it is caused by bacteria from the anus. My boyfriend has commented that my vagina and booty openings are really close together...so I wonder if I'm just weird and that is why it's constantly getting reinfected? I'm really careful about hygene, especially because of the BV, but maybe there is nothing I can do to prevent it.
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post Nov 12 2006, 11:24 PM
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I'm so glad someone on here finally mentioned the other smells besides Fish. I have more of a shit smell more then anything. Sorry for the language. I just went back on Boric, because my rash is finally gone. I will definately know this time if it comes back that it is related to the Boric. I'm not sure whats worse, fish, or crap. I'm not having sex, so I only smell it when I touch it and do a whiff test, or sometimes I put a Q-tip up there and whiff that. Doctors can't give us any answers girls. Why?? Because there are none. Where I live, they just raised tax's on cigerattes .80 cents a pack. Of course they lie and say it's for education, however, whenever tax's are raised on cigerettes, NOBODY can seem to tell you where the money went. Why not raise some tax's somewhere to find a fricken CURE FOR B.V. since it's THE BIGGEST issue with women in child bearing age. MORE SO THEN YEAST INFECTIONS. What a bunch of crap. I'm sick of it. But, what else can I do other then complain about it.
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post Nov 12 2006, 03:46 AM
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BV has symptoms which are common to many other ailments and diseases--it's best not to guess, but to go and have BV actually diagnosed so that you know for certain your symptoms aren't coming from something more serious.

Then, when you know for sure it's BV, you can try any number of the various treatments other people have said were successful on here.


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post Nov 10 2006, 09:23 PM
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I just realized that what was going on with me was BV, I've never had it before. Generally, if I start on a regiment of garlic, vitamin c and tea tree, I should be able to clear this up. Right? I have friends who have cleared up yeast infections with garlic almost overnight. I just want some reassurance. Thanks.
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post Nov 9 2006, 10:14 AM
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Deprime: I know you said you've tried everything, but have you tried the Hydrogen Peroxide douche? I have been battling BV for 4 years also. This is my first time trying "home remedies". The hydrogen peroxide works WONDERS!! Also, on some of the older posts there was a lot of talk about vitamin C inserts (low milligrams). I haven't tried this but some have had success with it. I am no doctor or health guru but I believe that trying too many things at the same time or in succession may aggravate or confuse the body. I've been doing a hydrogen peroxide douche (7 days, then 1x weekly) and taking probiotics orally and I am seeing major progress. I'm going to stick to this regimen for 2-3 months before I jump to something else. I've been doing a lot of reading on this lately and many article/studies state that there are several different strains of Lactobacilli in the body (not just acidophilus) and to regain the healthy flora, one should take a probiotic supplements that contain atleast 3-4 strains of lactobacilli and it still make take atleast THREE MONTHS of consistent use to recolonize the good bacteria and regain the PH balance down there...and regaining and sustaining the PH balance is the only thing that is going to keep BV at bay...Just my 2 cents. Good luck to you!
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post Nov 9 2006, 08:44 AM
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First, you need to find out what kind of anemia you've got. I"m not missing the fact that you have some difficulties with digestion as well: that may be directly related to the anemia. Take this seriously: you need to get a clear diagnosis so you know exactly what you're dealing with. This isn't something your gynecologist will help with--you need a blood specialist for more information here. You'll still need your gynecologist but I'll get to that below.

Iron deficiency anemia is the most common type. When red blood cells are lost as a result of too much blood loss, a deficiency of iron occurs. Sometimes, iron supplements are used successfully: I'm not sure it's the way to go, as they seem to cause more trouble. It's best to get your iron requirements from foods, and avoiding foods which deplete iron or B vitamins.

One other thing I want to say here: I suspect endometriosis or at least fibroids with anemia every time I hear about excessive bleeding in the menses. Please go and have these ruled out or confirmed. They can be easily treated with homeopathy, but it really is good to know exactly what is taking place in your case. Even though your doc doesn't "think" you have endo, it is worth your while to know for certain one way or the other. This will be vital information for you to use whatever you choose to do to treat it. It's not enough to go on a "guess".

Pernicious anemia is associated with autoimmune disease, it develops at the last stage of autoimmune gastritis when the gastric mucosa has been destroyed. In this form of anemia your red blood cells are then destroyed by an autoimmune process. As a result, the body can't use the B12, digestion is compromised (you'd get IBS type symptoms) and the body can't produce the red blood cells anymore. Some say ten to fifteen percent of people who suffer this kind of autoimmune gastritis are suffering from pernicious anemia. Vegetarians, particularly vegans, are at high risk for pernicious anemia. Treatment with injectible B12 works for this well, but the B12 injections will be required on a life-long basis.

You really should find out exactly what kind of anemia you're dealing with here. That's another place where your diagnosis has to be clear.

Once that's done, and for everyone who wants a supportive B vitamin supplement course of action:

B vitamins are really necessary but supplements on the market are not always very good quality.

B12 in the form of methylcobalamin drops, injections, or sublingual tablets is the best form of supplementation. You will want to take 10,000 micrograms (mcg) per day. You can find tablets or drops usually in the cyanocobalamin form, but it is possible to get the methylcobalamin form, so keep looking. If you can't find the better form, the other form will do. It just has to be converted in the body from the cyanocobalamin to methylcobalamin. I'm trying to save a step.

If injectible is the only way, set up a program with your doctor so that you can have injections on a weekly, then monthly basis. If you have options other than injection, I have seen this compounded in a cream form too (usually for use with kids) but you will probably need a scrip to get this from your pharmacist.

You can usually find the sublingual B12 mixed with folic acid. I prefer this--this way you don't mask a folic acid deficiency inadvertently.

These go well with other highly absorbable forms of B vitamins on the market. I've seen a product around called Magnelevures, made by UNDA. This makes a drinkable form of B vitamins sourced from yeast, which you take on an ongoing basis. I like it, it's pleasant to take and highly absorbable.

Niacin, thiamin, folic acid, biotin, lipotropic factors, choline and inositol, the many numerous forms of B vitamins out there--a mixed B vitamin supplement is a good way to get many of these (but not a great way). Look for a supplement that does not encase their nutrients in magnesium stearate (you'll never absorb the nutrients). As always, drops, sublingual tabs, melt-on-the-tongue strips always work better; seek out a supplement by a company like Metagenics, Thorne, Douglas Labs, Biotics Research, Da Vinci Labs--they are more expensive but you are taking formulations you can actually use. Any B-combination vitamin from these manufacturers is a good, reliable source you'll actually utilize in the body. And, any time you take a B6 supplement, take it with pecans. They enhance absorption and actually magnify the nutrient availability.

The very best sources for B vitamins, and iron, of course, are food sources. Red meats, fresh, raw vegetables of every kind, deep green leafy vegetables (less spinach, more collards, beet greens, dandelion greens, etc) and whole grain--NOT refined--foods. Avoid all "enriched" foods or foods made especially with enriched wheat flours, as these actually deplete nutrients from the body they are so refined (these flours are always used in "whole wheat" breads, rye breads, and actually the majority of commercial bread products). Fresh cold water deep water fish (eg., salmon, arctic char, sardines, herring) are good; as are all forms of shellfish. As always, I suggest finding the very best sources of these foods--organic veggies, wild (as opposed to farmed) seafoods, or free range, naturally fed, pastured beef, lamb, and pork is always best. You'll also need to consider adding fats like butter, full fat milk and cream, eggs, and organ meats like liver to your diet (or take a very pure cod liver oil capsule every day instead). If you are vegetarian, you'll have to supplement to replace the meat nutrient sources. Consider practicing an ovo-lacto vegetarianism over veganism as there is no way to gain these nutrients otherwise. Please don't balk at the saturated fats, they are absolutely essential to nutrient absorption, hormone balance and production, and for treating what may be going on in the digestion if there is indeed an autoimmune process underway.

Of course, lactofermented foods are great--especially as a source of live cultures, which you need; taking digestive enzymes are helpful too (papaine, bromelain; proteases, lipases, amylases--you can easily find full digestive enzyme formulations to take with each meal to help ease the digestive issues).

It would pay, at this time and after such a long time of prolonged heavy bleeding, to have your thyroid checked out for function as well. A lack of iron inhibits thyroid hormone--so you will want to assess how well your thyroid's functioning too. It'll give you more information regarding the state of hormone balance in the body to boot. To be on the safe side, cut out all soy foods except for organic tofu or fermented forms of soy like miso (and have those once in a while). Check labels for ingredients described as "hydrolized protein", MSG, protein isolates, etc., as these are all just code words for soy. It's goitrogenic, meaning it will hinder proper thyroid function. Watch your intake of cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, and other cruciform veggies--they are okay if they are lactofermented, but they're also goitrogenic if they're eaten any other way.

That was one long post. I still think you're in a position to benefit from a classical homeopath so if you need more information and resources to that end, please PM me.


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chacha-you ROCK....

I definitely don't want to have any surgeries....so I'm willing to try anything else.

I did ask the Doc about the endometrie thing during my last visit (which was Sep) and he said, no you 'probably' don't have that.

I'll get some Vit B supps...what is a good dose? I don't want to overdo it, and I've heard that multi-vitamins really aren't as great as everyone says.

As for diet modification.....I try to cook healthy stuff and am sorda looking for a diet that promotes healthy moods too (my hubby is a depressive type person)...so I'm open to any suggestions.

Thanks for all the help!!

This thread has improved me 100% already......amazing what a support system we can make for ourselves....if we had to rely on med Docs entirely we'd all be TOTALLY NUTS for sure!!
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I should not say this, but: Oh. My. God.

First, Beetle: If anemia has been diagnosed, and it does fit with the heavy bleeding and cramping, please know that Anemia can be very effectively treated. You've not been diagnosed with endometriosis, so unless you have an exam to rule it out (which I recommend if you haven't had one yet), there is no need to even consider it.

A hysterectomy is not necessary, either for treatment of endometriosis OR anemia. Please consider treating the anemia (largely done with B vitamin supplements and dietary modification if you want to use nutritional means--but also, very easily done via homeopathy) before having a surgery which will be drastic and unnecessary.

Eralc Alegna and deprime: topical steroid use will cause skin tissue to dry out, thin out, crack and break open.


Deprime, your case looks completely iatrogenic to me (that means it's actually been made worse by the "treatments"). That is not necessarily a bad thing: only a very strong body will fight against symptom suppression when those symptoms are treated with drugs which are only designed to mask or cover up the symptom (and the drugs you've used are just that). If the symptom keeps coming back, it may be horrible, but it is preferable to the symptom disappearing only to have the infection relocate to a deeper, more vulnerable organ where symptoms will be hard to notice (while you get sicker and sicker).

Okay, Deprime: you've tried conventional medicine and they've got nothing. I would say now is the time to seriously consider an alternative medical approach. I would always recommend classical homeopathy because I know it works if it's done right--but you have to know what's expected and you have to understand that you will need to take a holistic approach to healing--no magic bullets, no hocus pocus. It's a process which takes committment from you and some time. I don't know anything about your case, but if you've been really sick with this for 4 years, I would basically say it should take about 4 months to clear up what's going on--and then you'll need to take an active role in making the necessary changes in your life to stay healthy.

You've got nothing to lose: but don't make the mistake of thinking alternative medicine involves self-medicating with over the counter products. If you want to use herbs, find a qualified herbalist; if you want to use traditional Chinese Medicine, find a qualified Chinese Medical doctor; if you want to use homeopathy, find a qualified classical homeopath. All of these methods use very powerful, very thoroughly researched medicines; and all of these modalities require 5 years of basic medical training. You've got to invest your time and committment to whichever one you choose but the pay off will be your regained health.

Eralc Alegna: You may have Lichen Schlerosis, but it sounds to me to be an iatrogenic form (meaning, if you hadn't been using the steroid creme you may never have come down with it). If it were me, I'd stop using the cream as it is making complications externally as well as internally. The skin symptoms of thinning and breaking are to be expected with this drug, and I do think they would make parts of the skin harden up (especially if the skin were thinning out). I'm not telling you to stop using it (not my decision), but I am saying the steroid is a big probable cause.

Either way, I'm beginning to think some B vitamin supplements would make a huge difference in this disease, just to give the body a lot of support in addressing some of these recurrent symptoms. Who was it who mentioned the folic acid idea first on this thread? That was a great suggestion. B vitamin supplementation is a huge treatment for anemia (it's generally a bad idea to supplement with iron as a treatment for anemia, as iron is actually dangerously stored in the body instead of being absorbed and properly used, so the "deficiency" doesn't come from an actual lack, just a dangerous tendency). It's also so necessary for proper digestion (which would address the IBS from stress). It certainly wouldn't hurt to use as a support in Deprime's case or Eralc Alegna's.

Deprime, if I can be of any help with resources about various alt.meds, let me know. Eralc Alegna, I strongly suggest the B vitamin route for you, I know it could not hurt and may help a great deal; Beetle, definitely try to address the anemia before opting for surgical procedures! I daresay homeopathy would really help you too--I can think of at least 4 or 5 remedies that have the symptoms of heavy, prolonged bleeding during the menses, cramping, and anemia, just off the top of my head. Wouldn't it be nice to just have a predictable, manageable period which doesn't require painkillers, time off, lots of pads, and drugs?


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