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melinda7
post Oct 4 2010, 06:00 PM
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swt -- good post. I completely agree! I was going to ask you about corticosteroids. I remember they can cause YI.

I would've bought your balance activ!

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post Oct 4 2010, 05:29 PM
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thank you for that.

Yeah I also saw you can take it 1g once daily for 5 days and the cure rate is much higher than the 2g at 2 days for the tindamax
and it seems the side effects are a little less because of the amount given


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Chemically, the two are not much different. The tinidazole & metronidazole (Flagyl) do not differ significantly in their side-effects, from what I've read. (This would make sense, since the two are chemically similar.) However, the once-daily dosing & shorter duration of therapy would lessen one's exposure to the adverse affects. I can't locate any research comparing tinidazole with metronidazole at their recommended doses.
If I had to choose, I'd probably go with the tinidazole due to the shorter therapy timeframe.

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post Oct 4 2010, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Oct 4 2010, 02:34 PM) *
Mfc10, since your a chemist, which option do you think is better?


Chemically, the two are not much different. The tinidazole & metronidazole (Flagyl) do not differ significantly in their side-effects, from what I've read. (This would make sense, since the two are chemically similar.) However, the once-daily dosing & shorter duration of therapy would lessen one's exposure to the adverse affects. I can't locate any research comparing tinidazole with metronidazole at their recommended doses.
If I had to choose, I'd probably go with the tinidazole due to the shorter therapy timeframe.

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post Oct 4 2010, 02:32 PM
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oh yeah almost forgot =) you asked about the body wash i had, it had Triclosan in it. I didnt realize it until my OBGYN asked me what kind of hygene products i used.... specifically body wash, she contributed that to a reason why i prob got the YI

QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Oct 3 2010, 04:12 PM) *
The only medications I was on at the time was a corticosteroid ointment for my eczema, allergy medication, and a nasal spray. Those aren't medications that normally disturb the intestinal flora. They weren't high doses either. I do have to say that I was constantly stressed, and was also experiencing sleep difficulties for a while, those factors greatly impact the microflora. I would never take birth control pills unless it was absolutely mandatory because I think birth control pills carry too many risks and side effects.

What I think might have also caused it was I went on a seven day cruise. When I was in Aruba, I was at a beach and I was walking around in a wet bathing suit for a long time. I was also eating a lot of different foods and going to dinner every night and eating desserts. I know sugar feeds yeasts and bacteria, maybe all of those factors contributed to the non-albican yeast infection. Another woman on this forum also went on vacation and she developed bacterial vaginosis later.

Where you having any problems using regular tampons prior to buying the RepHresh Brilliance tampons? From personal experience, my symptoms would get worse when I mensturated; pads also contributed to the chaos.

I always choose tampons over pads because pads are uncomfortable, bunch up in all the wrong places, cause chaffing, makes me feel like I'm wearing a diaper, smells more, and makes me feel unclean after wearing it for a few hours. I only wear them at night because I don't trust leaving tampons in over night. I've been using organic cotton tampons and pads by a company called Natracare. They work very well and don't have any crazy chemicals in them. I'm really picky about my personal care products because some companies bleach their cotton, some contain rayon, and some companies also use pesticides on their cotton.

What body wash where you using that had an antibiotic? I always thought anything with prescription strength ingredients would be found over the counter. Was your bodywash an antibacterial bodywash rather than an antibiotic bodywash? I sure hope the BalanceActiv works for you. I've encountered many women where I work part time and I can clearly see how bacterial vaginosis has taken a toll on them; they have very low self esteems. I remember one particular woman would always keep her distance no matter how much I tried to approach her. It would be sad if you were in the same boat.

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post Oct 4 2010, 02:16 PM
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Hi sweet simplicity,


well being I have posted a lot- so you would have to scroll way down to find my Hx

I first had a yeast infection in the beginning of September (went o my GYN and she examined/ cultured me-came back yeast only-candida albicans) used diflucan didnt work 100% and used a 3 day yeast cream, worked better- still saw some discharge, used garlic cloves for 7 days longer

clumpy white discharge went away

but noticed i still had irritation
went back to GYN- examined and she said every looked/smelled okay.... but lets re-culture it just to be sure
got results back- Gardnerella (BV) showed up- no more yeast


antibiotics:
I hate using them.... but being i was hopeful about balance activ, and only a little irritated at the time, tried it... and it just made me more irritated
so this is why i have decided...no more stuff inside my vagina
its probably better to treat it orally at this point, take my probiotics

so Im waiting for my Nurse practitioner to call me back and give me an Rx to a different antibiotic

Im def trying to stay positive
being this is my first time dealing with BV I'll admit im freaking out a bit

I was used to GBS overgrowth, but never this
this is different
and the thing with GBS- there are MANY antibiotics for it, that do not cause major side effects like the BV antibiotics as well as it subsiding with the Fem-D

but for Gardnerella... there are VERY FEW antibiotics -clinda orally or vaginally, metro orally or vaginally, and than of course the new tindamax orally

Boric acid I guess works, but im not sticking anything acidic in my vagina at this point

I will say the Calendula ointment has helped, the irritation is really subsided

I do think that balance activ prob works, but maybe they need a milder form of it, it def needs some improvements, in fact i returned my unopened boxes I purchased. Thank goodness they let me

=)

I guess Ill just remain hopeful Im only a 1 time sufferer of BV and this will be the ONLY time i deal with it



QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Oct 4 2010, 01:34 PM) *
It looks like Tindamax would be the better option. Then again I'm not a pharmacist. Mfc10, since your a chemist, which option do you think is better? According to it's (website), it looks like a really solid choice. I'm surprised your opting for the oral antibiotic considering you were so adamant about not taking antibiotics. I assumed you would probably go with a gel application or suppository. Yes, stay on the Fem-D to prevent any further chaos, or resistant strains of bacteria or yeast. A lot of women on here have been on and off of antibiotics; and those that were eventually had a harder time getting rid of their bacterial vaginosis with each course of antibiotics, until finally the antibiotics stopped working for some of them.

How long were you doing the garlic suppositories? Does your gynecologist know that you've been trying the BalancActiv? You usually have to go in for an exam before you get prescribed antibiotics ... right?

I personally believe being hopeful helps a lot when dealing with things like this. I remember being stressed about my vaginal issues and my symptoms would literally get worse the more I thought about it. There are biological reasons for that as well. Kind of like when you get scared or embarrassed, your body starts to sweat a little, including the vulva (which by the way has a lot of sweat glands). Where there's moisture, there's bacteria that consequently leads to an odor. Or if you get sexually aroused, your vaginal secretions increase. So, you literally need to put a smile on and think positive thoughts, it releases (good) chemicals from your brain and that helps the healing process biggrin.gif .

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post Oct 4 2010, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(melis19750 @ Oct 3 2010, 09:15 PM) *
whats better taken orally Tindamax or flagyl?

It looks like Tindamax would be the better option. Then again I'm not a pharmacist. Mfc10, since your a chemist, which option do you think is better? According to it's (website), it looks like a really solid choice. I'm surprised your opting for the oral antibiotic considering you were so adamant about not taking antibiotics. I assumed you would probably go with a gel application or suppository. Yes, stay on the Fem-D to prevent any further chaos, or resistant strains of bacteria or yeast. A lot of women on here have been on and off of antibiotics; and those that were eventually had a harder time getting rid of their bacterial vaginosis with each course of antibiotics, until finally the antibiotics stopped working for some of them.

How long were you doing the garlic suppositories? Does your gynecologist know that you've been trying the BalancActiv? You usually have to go in for an exam before you get prescribed antibiotics ... right?

I personally believe being hopeful helps a lot when dealing with things like this. I remember being stressed about my vaginal issues and my symptoms would literally get worse the more I thought about it. There are biological reasons for that as well. Kind of like when you get scared or embarrassed, your body starts to sweat a little, including the vulva (which by the way has a lot of sweat glands). Where there's moisture, there's bacteria that consequently leads to an odor. Or if you get sexually aroused, your vaginal secretions increase. So, you literally need to put a smile on and think positive thoughts, it releases (good) chemicals from your brain and that helps the healing process biggrin.gif .


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post Oct 3 2010, 08:15 PM
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whats better taken orally Tindamax or flagyl?
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post Oct 3 2010, 07:48 PM
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update-
balance activ no bueno if you already have irritation


so about 12 hours after my initial application of balance activ, I begin to have major irritation around the opening of my vagina. DAMMMIITTTT
so I am calling my OBGYN and caving in and asking for the oral antibiotic
there is no way Im sticking metrogel inside my vagina with this irritation!!

I think its prob better to treat the BV with an oral antibiotic/ pro-biotics taking 2-3 hours before or after the anti biotics anyway.

and if you were wondering- my vagina was already irritated from using garlic cloves 2 weeks ago

so if your vagina is irritated- dont use balance activ

I will say this though, the ODOR is completely gone and so is the discharge, so yes obviously balance activ works
but its VERY ACIDIC!!! VERY I even taste tested it before I used it... and wow it was like squeezing lemon juice straight from a lemon into my mouth...
so obviously it made my tender vagina more tender

ugg i wanna cry/scream/kick!! I hate vaginal problems
can I ask God to make me male for a while?? ha ha
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post Oct 3 2010, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(melinda7 @ Oct 3 2010, 11:43 AM) *
Thanks. I'm glad you were able to get rid of it. I've read about other forms of yeast too. So strange that you didn't take antibiotics and you got it. Were you on the pill or any other meds? Some meds, besides antibiotics can cause yeast.

I never heard that about pads, but it makes sense! I was going to try to switch to them before I found out about the new rephresh tampons, which I bough yesterday, and I have never been so excited to buy tampons before, lol! They were practically sold out, I bought the last two boxes.

The only medications I was on at the time was a corticosteroid ointment for my eczema, allergy medication, and a nasal spray. Those aren't medications that normally disturb the intestinal flora. They weren't high doses either. I do have to say that I was constantly stressed, and was also experiencing sleep difficulties for a while, those factors greatly impact the microflora. I would never take birth control pills unless it was absolutely mandatory because I think birth control pills carry too many risks and side effects.

What I think might have also caused it was I went on a seven day cruise. When I was in Aruba, I was at a beach and I was walking around in a wet bathing suit for a long time. I was also eating a lot of different foods and going to dinner every night and eating desserts. I know sugar feeds yeasts and bacteria, maybe all of those factors contributed to the non-albican yeast infection. Another woman on this forum also went on vacation and she developed bacterial vaginosis later.

Where you having any problems using regular tampons prior to buying the RepHresh Brilliance tampons? From personal experience, my symptoms would get worse when I mensturated; pads also contributed to the chaos.
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so do you think it is better to use tampons than pads??

I have heard sooooooo many different things on this. Just curious what you think

I always choose tampons over pads because pads are uncomfortable, bunch up in all the wrong places, cause chaffing, makes me feel like I'm wearing a diaper, smells more, and makes me feel unclean after wearing it for a few hours. I only wear them at night because I don't trust leaving tampons in over night. I've been using organic cotton tampons and pads by a company called Natracare. They work very well and don't have any crazy chemicals in them. I'm really picky about my personal care products because some companies bleach their cotton, some contain rayon, and some companies also use pesticides on their cotton.

What body wash where you using that had an antibiotic? I always thought anything with prescription strength ingredients would be found over the counter. Was your bodywash an antibacterial bodywash rather than an antibiotic bodywash? I sure hope the BalanceActiv works for you. I've encountered many women where I work part time and I can clearly see how bacterial vaginosis has taken a toll on them; they have very low self esteems. I remember one particular woman would always keep her distance no matter how much I tried to approach her. It would be sad if you were in the same boat.


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post Oct 3 2010, 11:02 AM
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hey just wanted to add, when I had my yeast infection now about 4 weeks ago... I did not get it from anti biotics either
I was under lots of stress, little to no sleep, not eating well, and not only that had realized my body wash contained an antibiotic... which all prob led to the candida albicans i had.

so you don't necessarily have to be on antibiotics to get yeast.

its pretty much all to do with your pH balance, lack of good flora, and immune system.

same as with BV... imbalance causes soo many issues unfortunately


QUOTE(melinda7 @ Oct 3 2010, 10:43 AM) *
Thanks. I'm glad you were able to get rid of it. I've read about other forms of yeast too. So strange that you didn't take antibiotics and you got it. Were you on the pill or any other meds? Some meds, besides antibiotics can cause yeast.

I never heard that about pads, but it makes sense! I was going to try to switch to them before I found out about the new rephresh tampons, which I bough yesterday, and I have never been so excited to buy tampons before, lol! They were practically sold out, I bought the last two boxes.

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QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Oct 3 2010, 08:36 AM) *
I took it once a day for 14 days at bedtime. After that, I went in to get re-cultured to check if the yeast was back, which it wasn't. My vulvo-vaginal specialist prescribed me an extra supply of boric acid that I would take once or twice a week for many months for maintenance since non-albican yeast is so resistant.

The non-albican yeast had to be cultured in a special broth. Non-albican yeast is something that is getting increasingly more popular, especially with increased antibiotic use. The interesting part in my case is, I never took antibiotics prior to getting my non-albican yeast infection. The nurse practitioner that was working at the clinic did say it could be transferred from stools. I always wipe properly. I figured it could be from wearing menstrual pads, maybe constant shifting and friction transferred the yeast. I can't really prove that though. I remember reading a study that did say there was more bacteria recovered from pads than tampons.



Thanks. I'm glad you were able to get rid of it. I've read about other forms of yeast too. So strange that you didn't take antibiotics and you got it. Were you on the pill or any other meds? Some meds, besides antibiotics can cause yeast.

I never heard that about pads, but it makes sense! I was going to try to switch to them before I found out about the new rephresh tampons, which I bough yesterday, and I have never been so excited to buy tampons before, lol! They were practically sold out, I bought the last two boxes.
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post Oct 3 2010, 09:44 AM
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Just a quick comment...when boric acid is mentioned, it's better to use the word "use" than "take," since "take" implies oral dosing. If someone actually "took" boric acid, it could be fatal. (It is used vaginally.)

As a chemist, I notice these things. wink.gif
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post Oct 3 2010, 09:06 AM
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so do you think it is better to use tampons than pads??

I have heard sooooooo many different things on this. Just curious what you think

QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Oct 3 2010, 07:36 AM) *
I took it once a day for 14 days at bedtime. After that, I went in to get re-cultured to check if the yeast was back, which it wasn't. My vulvo-vaginal specialist prescribed me an extra supply of boric acid that I would take once or twice a week for many months for maintenance since non-albican yeast is so resistant.

The non-albican yeast had to be cultured in a special broth. Non-albican yeast is something that is getting increasingly more popular, especially with increased antibiotic use. The interesting part in my case is, I never took antibiotics prior to getting my non-albican yeast infection. The nurse practitioner that was working at the clinic did say it could be transferred from stools. I always wipe properly. I figured it could be from wearing menstrual pads, maybe constant shifting and friction transferred the yeast. I can't really prove that though. I remember reading a study that did say there was more bacteria recovered from pads than tampons.

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post Oct 3 2010, 09:04 AM
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Balance Activ-
My thoughts after day #1



I just started using this product so I am unsure if it's working to get rid of the BV yet. But Im definitely going to continue using it.
The only thing I think needs improvement is these 2 things...
1) The gel needs to be thicker so it can stay inside longer. The gel is quite "watery" therefor you pretty much have to have your pelvis tilted when you sleep at night so the medicine stays in (Not the most comfortable way to sleep)
2) There should be applicators like you get when you use a yeast infection cream, or metro gel. This way you can really get the product deep into the vagina. The applicator tube doesn't go in far enough!! But so far I like this product. I ordered 5 packages to keep it on hand and I'm praying it works!
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QUOTE(melinda7 @ Oct 2 2010, 12:06 PM) *
How long did you have to take the BA for your yeast? How often -- 1x or 2x a day? Also, how did they find out you had that, specifically, was it through culture? TIA

I took it once a day for 14 days at bedtime. After that, I went in to get re-cultured to check if the yeast was back, which it wasn't. My vulvo-vaginal specialist prescribed me an extra supply of boric acid that I would take once or twice a week for many months for maintenance since non-albican yeast is so resistant.

The non-albican yeast had to be cultured in a special broth. Non-albican yeast is something that is getting increasingly more popular, especially with increased antibiotic use. The interesting part in my case is, I never took antibiotics prior to getting my non-albican yeast infection. The nurse practitioner that was working at the clinic did say it could be transferred from stools. I always wipe properly. I figured it could be from wearing menstrual pads, maybe constant shifting and friction transferred the yeast. I can't really prove that though. I remember reading a study that did say there was more bacteria recovered from pads than tampons.


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post Oct 2 2010, 06:14 PM
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found this about LS and it pertained to BV and yeast
hmm- interesting!!!

BTW- I just received my balance active today. Im so excited to try it. I hope it gives me great results so i can avoid metrogel and diflucan after the metrogel

here is the site i found while doing research on evening primrose oil
http://www.mold-survivor.com/lichen_sclerosis.html
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post Oct 2 2010, 11:17 AM
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I actually agree with Melinda7 on this. Also RepHresh Pro-B is EXPENSIVE more so than Fem-D and not only that... RepHresh pro B is NOT refrigerated. I wont use any pro-biotic thats not refrigerated.
although I def back up the FEM-D claims because when I used it in the past for group b strep vaginitis it helped amazingly. I only hope it does the same for Gardnerella.

anyhow with me I decided to lay off some things, keep it as simple as possible

just take grapefruit seed extract (not garlic pills)
take my chlorophyll
take my juice plus suppliment (which is a fruit/veggie supplement-not a vitamin), vitamin D, Folic acid/B complex
and my vitamineral green suppliment with my shake (greek yogurt/some fruit/ unsweetened almond milk)mixed with a TSP of the probiotic L.Reuteri by natures way
and 1 pill fem d in the am and 1 pill fem d in the pm

as well as start using fem-d vaginally for 5 days/nights (now that my mentral cycle is ending)
and than as soon as I get the balance activ, use that
than be done with everything except my vita green, juice plus, and taking fem-d daily
and see what happens....

if not working, go to damn metrogel... but i hope its working. as i am starting to feel better and the odor seems to be diminishing




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I'm not convinced the strains are patented, but maybe the polysaccharide delivery system is. On the label, they have an R in a circle, and if you look down on the label it explains it. Those same bacteria are in other probiotics. If it is different, their labeling doesn't explain that concisely. It's ambiguous. I'm tired of BS supplemental wording and marketing, because I've found it to be just that, so I am skeptical. I've looked online, trying to find the difference between Their patented strain and regular reuteri etc., and can't find anything on it.
How long did you have to take the BA for your yeast? How often -- 1x or 2x a day? Also, how did they find out you had that, specifically, was it through culture? TIA

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Fem-Dophilus and Rephresh Pro-B have GR-1 and RC-14 which aren't the same cookie cutter strain of bacteria that is available in most supplements and yogurts. If Fem-Dophilus had the regular lactobacillius that is normally found in yogurts, then they wouldn't have to be charging so much for it, everyone would just go to the grocery store and buy a cup of yogurt with reuteri and rhamnosus in it. The patent I mentioned isn't for it's enteric coating, but it's for those particular strains of bacteria (since Gregor Reid discovered it) because they are clinically proven to colonize the vaginal tract rather than pass through (which is how a lot of probiotic supplements work; they work just as long as you keep taking them because they don't always colonize in the intestinal tract).

Melis19750- I've never had bacterial vaginosis, although I thought I did for a while. That is actually how I discovered this forum. I was actually diagnosed with a non-albican yeast infection (c.parapsilosis) and I think another two strains of yeast. I was prescribed boric acid to kill the yeast.



I'm not convinced the strains are patented, but maybe the polysaccharide delivery system is. On the label, they have an R in a circle, and if you look down on the label it explains it. Those same bacteria are in other probiotics. If it is different, their labeling doesn't explain that concisely. It's ambiguous. I'm tired of BS supplemental wording and marketing, because I've found it to be just that, so I am skeptical. I've looked online, trying to find the difference between Their patented strain and regular reuteri etc., and can't find anything on it.


How long did you have to take the BA for your yeast? How often -- 1x or 2x a day? Also, how did they find out you had that, specifically, was it through culture? TIA
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Fem-Dophilus and Rephresh Pro-B have GR-1 and RC-14 which aren't the same cookie cutter strain of bacteria that is available in most supplements and yogurts. If Fem-Dophilus had the regular lactobacillius that is normally found in yogurts, then they wouldn't have to be charging so much for it, everyone would just go to the grocery store and buy a cup of yogurt with reuteri and rhamnosus in it. The patent I mentioned isn't for it's enteric coating, but it's for those particular strains of bacteria (since Gregor Reid discovered it) because they are clinically proven to colonize the vaginal tract rather than pass through (which is how a lot of probiotic supplements work; they work just as long as you keep taking them because they don't always colonize in the intestinal tract).

Melis19750- I've never had bacterial vaginosis, although I thought I did for a while. That is actually how I discovered this forum. I was actually diagnosed with a non-albican yeast infection (c.parapsilosis) and I think another two strains of yeast. I was prescribed boric acid to kill the yeast.


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I figured it was a decent brand, since WF's doesn't really carry junk. I actually went to buy the fem-d and got the idea to see if I could find another with the same ingredients. If it doesn't work, I will go to Vitamin Shoppe.


Thanks, I hope so too! I hope you get rid of yours!

I have scorpio in my chart too, so weird! Maybe there's something to it.
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