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post Apr 23 2007, 07:03 AM
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QUOTE(Morphia @ Apr 23 2007, 12:54 AM) *
Bvgirl, I'm seriously so depressed that I've reached the point of being suicidal. I can't stop thinking about this. The fear that I may never be intimate without pain is enough to take my will to go on. I'm so afraid that I'll lose my bf to this and be alone the rest of my life because of this. I just don't want to live this way. And its not just during sex. I feel a twinge of discomfort at all times. Its as if its just there to haunt me and remind me of this hell. Plus I can't get in to see my doctor until the 30th (5 more days) when he does my colpo....I'm just so upset. I choke up at least every 30 minutes and I actually cry at least every couple of hours. I also don't know what's worse...having the smell and no pain, or just having the pain and no smell (which I have.) Its just that...after reading about women who have been battling this for 10 or more years and reading about the women who have damage from all the creams...I can't help but lose hope. I know this probably all seems so melodramatic to you all. And I'm sure it is. But I just can't shake these feelings of deep pain and fear. I feel as if someone has died...


Hello Morphia..
Sweetie, I have to say that it sounds like you are really strugglling with the emotional and physical effects of bv. Let me tell you seriously, that you are not alone although I truly understand that you feel alone and or like the only sufferer especially when you want to be intimate with your boyfriend. Believe us when we say we all know how insecure and overwhelmed with feeling dirty about the odor and discharge. If it were not for me coming across this board and all the nice people with their helpful comments, I would have been constantly pulling my hair out. This board represents many sufferers who have come together to help one another to get some relief whether it be emotional,informational and or just bonding. Take it from me and all the many people here, this is a process and it takes time to find the right product. I can say this that reading and asking questions will keep you informed on how to go about dealing with this bv. Are bodies are different and yes we may have to use a million products in order to find relief but so be it..right..I ask you to do this, try to relax, focus on the positive. That positive would be that you will eventually find something that will work for you. At the same time I really suggest you always follow up with your doctor and ask questions and let him know how very very much concerned you are with the pain and irritation and the bv. Sometimes (with me many times) doctors do not take time to actually ask you and inform you of all that can be done. You may have to be somewhat forceful to get what you want and need in order to have the relief. But like many of the cases here on this board we have taken matters into our own hands because of the lack of information doctors have regarding this bv. The more research you do and also reading what works well for someone may just work well for you too. Just do not give up. No need for you to come totally apart over this just focus on researching and finding relief.But seriously, anytime you have symptoms you say like now that are unbearable please see your doctor. While you are waiting to see him in 5 days just make it a point to set aside some time during the day to strictly find out what may work well for you.
For now, at least the smell as gone but since you are experiencing pain never ignor that. Let us know how it goes after your appointment until then just stay here on this board and continue to go online and also absorb all the information around you... Hang in there..
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post Apr 23 2007, 02:02 AM
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Hey, Jewels. I just wanted to give you a little more info on me. This last time I was diagnosed with BV was the first time in my life. But I'm almost 100% sure I had an ongoing infection for over a year. I kept getting visual diagnoses of yeast because I had a thick white discharge and no odor...but the yeast treatments didn't work. Then I really did get a yeast infection (confirmed by wet mount). Took something for it and the symptoms subsided significantly save for the same old thick, white discharge and some mild intravaginal burning/burning on urination (same symptoms I'd been having for over a year). So the doc did another swab. The bv did not show up on a wet mount. It took a highly sensitive DNA test of some type to pick it up. For my first diagnosis ever with bv I was given a prescription for Clindesse and 2 Diflucan (take one then take the other 5 days later.) I'm thinking that it might be a yeast infection too. The only problem is, I'm so dry that I wouldn't know if I had a discharge or not. I look in there and I see dry vagina. I'm 21 by the way, but I suspect I might have a hormone problem regardless. I am not on the pill. Haven't been since I was 16 and even then that was short lived. I do know that my testosterone level is high but that's about it. He wouldn't test any other hormones. I'm going to beg him to this Friday.
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post Apr 23 2007, 12:57 AM
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Morphia:

First and for most, you need to get off of everything you are on, and give your Vagina a break. With those of us who have been dealing with b.v. for years, that is the one thing we can all say is, you need to give each item you choose to use, a chance to do it's job. I too, have been in your place, and I feel for you. It wasn't until 2 months ago that I finally found some relief.

My advice....Don't use anything else, until you go and see your doctor. I have been dealing with B.V. for over 5yrs now, and I have never experienced the Pain you are talking about. So....Find out what the pain is first, before you use anything else!!

Second...Have you tried the Flagyl Vaginally yet?? If not DON'T!!! Wait until you go to the doctor, and find out what is going on. It sounds to me like you have a yeast infection from hell, that is causing problems way up there. I would first get treated for that, then wait a week, and then try the Flagyl Vaginally. DO NOT HAVE SEX, while doing this!!! As a precaution, I would buy a 3 day Monistat "Just in Case", being that Flagyl ORALLY, can give you a yeast infection.

Here is one thing, that I have read, OVER AND OVER again, and although I don't agree with it 100%, I have to face it.... Once you have B.V. like we do, there isn't a cure for it yet. The ONLY thing we can do, is find a SOLUTION. Stress #1, can make matters worse. So, clear your mind, and take control of this. B.V. can become "Reoccuring", which means, once you get it, you can't get rid of it. Therefore, you have to start a PREVENTATIVE routine, so that you can try to keep it at bay.

Here is what's worked for us...

1. Estroil - (Helps balance your hormones)
2. Yeast Arrest (But, can be irratating to the Vagina)
3. Boric Acid Vaginally
4. Flagyl Vaginally.

I don't know your age, so you might want to discuss with your doctor about your hormone level. I know that some women's vagina's can become irratated, and painfull, when there's hormone issues...atleast that's what my mom goes through and she's in her 60's.

HOWEVER....If you choose to use some of these remedies....REMEMBER...you MUST give each one a chance. Mixing and matching...will only cause you more problems!!!

GOOD LUCK!! And You will be in my thoughts today!!!
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post Apr 22 2007, 11:37 PM
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Bvgirl, I'm seriously so depressed that I've reached the point of being suicidal. I can't stop thinking about this. The fear that I may never be intimate without pain is enough to take my will to go on. I'm so afraid that I'll lose my bf to this and be alone the rest of my life because of this. I just don't want to live this way. And its not just during sex. I feel a twinge of discomfort at all times. Its as if its just there to haunt me and remind me of this hell. Plus I can't get in to see my doctor until the 30th (5 more days) when he does my colpo....I'm just so upset. I choke up at least every 30 minutes and I actually cry at least every couple of hours. I also don't know what's worse...having the smell and no pain, or just having the pain and no smell (which I have.) Its just that...after reading about women who have been battling this for 10 or more years and reading about the women who have damage from all the creams...I can't help but lose hope. I know this probably all seems so melodramatic to you all. And I'm sure it is. But I just can't shake these feelings of deep pain and fear. I feel as if someone has died...
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post Apr 22 2007, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(anitsirhc @ Apr 22 2007, 02:39 PM) *
bvgirl, i wanted to ask you also can you have sex while you're on the yeast arrest or no?



Well, my honey pie is overseas in Iraq until October so I have not been sexually active. I can say this that because of the discharge (actually it is the leftovers that come down from each use) it may be wise not to have sex while you are actively taking the yeast arrest because of the discharge and also it may irritate your partner if it were to get on him. If I were you I would wait a couple of days or more until the discharge is over(and if you feel confident to do so because you may feel like you need more treatment and or you may choose to stop the yeast arrest for a few days or so then have sex and then start back on the yeast arrest. It really depends on how you are progressing with your treatment do you feel like you can stop using it because your symptoms have cleared up, wait a few days then have sex or maybe you feel like you need more treatment for now and continue on with it and or complete it and then wait a few days to have sex. I believe yeast arrest can be classified with the rest of the vaginal products meaning you should refrain from having sex while you are actively taking the product. Again, the possibility of irritating your partner and or the fact that the discharge will be present would create a messy and I think an uncomfortable situation with or without a condom. That is what I feel.


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post Apr 22 2007, 01:22 PM
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bvgirl, i wanted to ask you also can you have sex while you're on the yeast arrest or no?
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post Apr 22 2007, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE(mfc10 @ Apr 22 2007, 08:29 AM) *
Speaking as a chemistry professor--No! It won't give your vaginal environment the acidic pH it requires for optimal health. The most baking soda will do, with its pH of around 8.0, is act as a buffer; it may drive the pH to neutral (7.0 or so) but it will definitely NOT give you help in getting to the pH range of around 4.0-4.5 that you want. For that, you need things like Aci-jel, RepHresh, Replens, etc. that are specially formulated with the acidic pH. Some Websites advocate using a baking soda douch if your vaginal secretions are "too acidic." I have read (in "The V Book" by Dr. Elizabeth Stewart, a well-respected Ob-Gyn) that it is virtually impossible to have a "too-acidic" vagina.

maggie


I agree with you,like I stated before I started douching at around age 16 and ever since then I have had this bv and ph problems. I have read where they say douching causes more problems and I have also read where if you douch with a product that contains boric acid that it "may" be effective but since I am uneasy with that I just cannot agree wholeheartedly about douching.


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post Apr 22 2007, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(Morphia @ Apr 22 2007, 03:02 AM) *
Here's an update for you. And its not good. [Recap] Over a month ago I was put on Gynazole (one dose treatment that stays in for 7 days) for a yeast infection. On the 10th of this month I was given Clindesse (one dose treatment that stays in for 7 days) for BV and some diflucan as a preventative. Today, the 21st, was day five after I finished the Clindesse. Well, I tried to have sex with my bf for the first time in over a month tonight and it was too painful. Even though I was dripping wet it felt dry and it burned (on the inside). It felt as if he had cotton wrapped around his dick... We went for probably less than five minutes, at an extremely slow pace, and we had to stop...What is going on here? I haven't been to the doctor since I finished the Clindesse so I don't know if I still had the BV (the bv never burned like THIS during sex) or if I have a mild yeast infection. Could the Clindesse have caused some type of dryness or damage to the area??? What could this be? I'm afraid that sex will always be painful. I spent the rest of the evening crying my eyes out on my bf's shoulder. I'm so depressed and hopeless. I'm just so afraid now.

[Edit] I also wanted to add that I started taking grapefruit seed extract internally (about 10 drops in a glass of water 2-3 times per day). Just wanted to let you know incase someone might know if its related or not.


Hello Morphia..

Well to me it sounds like you may just be irritated from using the various products you mentioned. I truly, truly do not believe that you will have to endure this irritation for long. You say that you waited 5 days after completing the products before you had sex maybe you may need to wait a little longer just because of the fact that you have used three different products that just may have irritated you enough that you need to wait longer before you have sex again. As you know irritation is normal and happens to many of us. Try calling the doctors nurse and asking her about how long should you wait since you have been experiencing this inflammation and irritation. I noticed that when I use yeast arrest that I sometimes get irritated and inflammed at times but nothing too bad. Also, I suggest that you schedule an appointment to see your doctor to see if the bv is gone because as you say you do not know if it has or not. For me on the other hand since I have been dealing with bv and the smell off and on for years I know when my bv (as far as the smell and discharge) is gone.


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post Apr 22 2007, 07:12 AM
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QUOTE(kmfkmb @ Apr 21 2007, 05:15 PM) *
Hi Ladies,

I am wondering if anyone has tried douching with water and baking soda? (http://www.bsu.edu/students/cpsc/article/0,1384,22917-3997-43274,00.html ) I just heard of this and I can't find any other information on it. They say it works to restore the pH. I am using repHresh right now but I am on my first try with it.

Thanks.


Speaking as a chemistry professor--No! It won't give your vaginal environment the acidic pH it requires for optimal health. The most baking soda will do, with its pH of around 8.0, is act as a buffer; it may drive the pH to neutral (7.0 or so) but it will definitely NOT give you help in getting to the pH range of around 4.0-4.5 that you want. For that, you need things like Aci-jel, RepHresh, Replens, etc. that are specially formulated with the acidic pH. Some Websites advocate using a baking soda douch if your vaginal secretions are "too acidic." I have read (in "The V Book" by Dr. Elizabeth Stewart, a well-respected Ob-Gyn) that it is virtually impossible to have a "too-acidic" vagina.

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post Apr 22 2007, 01:45 AM
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Here's an update for you. And its not good. [Recap] Over a month ago I was put on Gynazole (one dose treatment that stays in for 7 days) for a yeast infection. On the 10th of this month I was given Clindesse (one dose treatment that stays in for 7 days) for BV and some diflucan as a preventative. Today, the 21st, was day five after I finished the Clindesse. Well, I tried to have sex with my bf for the first time in over a month tonight and it was too painful. Even though I was dripping wet it felt dry and it burned (on the inside). It felt as if he had cotton wrapped around his dick... We went for probably less than five minutes, at an extremely slow pace, and we had to stop...What is going on here? I haven't been to the doctor since I finished the Clindesse so I don't know if I still had the BV (the bv never burned like THIS during sex) or if I have a mild yeast infection. Could the Clindesse have caused some type of dryness or damage to the area??? What could this be? I'm afraid that sex will always be painful. I spent the rest of the evening crying my eyes out on my bf's shoulder. I'm so depressed and hopeless. I'm just so afraid now.

[Edit] I also wanted to add that I started taking grapefruit seed extract internally (about 10 drops in a glass of water 2-3 times per day). Just wanted to let you know incase someone might know if its related or not.
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post Apr 21 2007, 03:58 PM
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Hi Ladies,

I am wondering if anyone has tried douching with water and baking soda? (http://www.bsu.edu/students/cpsc/article/0,1384,22917-3997-43274,00.html ) I just heard of this and I can't find any other information on it. They say it works to restore the pH. I am using repHresh right now but I am on my first try with it.

Thanks.
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post Apr 21 2007, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(jewelscando @ Apr 21 2007, 02:07 PM) *
I am still having major success with the Flagyl Vaginally. Since the Yeast Arrest has Boric Acid in it, I would not be able to use it. I developed a major Rash both on my forehead and arms from the Boric Acid. The rash took approx. 6 months to go away, and has left serious scars on my arms. I had several tests done to find out what was wrong, and they finally said, I had an internal reaction to something. I showed my doctor the Boric, and they couldn't say for sure if it was the boric or not, so I tested it. And when I'm not using it, I have no rash. As soon as I use it again, it comes right back.

So, just wanted to give you all a heads up. The rash wasn't life threatening, just annoying and itchy as crap. So, keep that in mind if you decide to use it.

I'm so happy that we are having such "Good" luck with what we are trying. I can remember all of us a year ago, and how frustrated we all were.

Keep the faith girls!! Without the help of doctors, we are finding our own "Cures"!!



Well, with boric acid some may be allergic to it just like with any other product. If you were you using the boric acid in pure form I believe that may have been the problem. The boric acid you buy from the store may be too strong because it is not mixed with anything. Yeast arrest contains a mixture of boric acid,berberis aquifolium and calendula officinalis,vegetable cellulose and water and so it does not pose a threat like the pure boric acid off the shelf. I have not read anywhere on the directions with yeast arrest where you may develop a major skin rash. There is some irritation
at times but the is from within the vagina nothing major. We all have different reactions to some products. As far as the yeast arrest it is not as potent as the pure form of boric acid so to me there is no need to worry. But if you develop a rash of some sort you should always go to your doctor. It is better to be safe and find another product that will best fit your need.


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post Apr 21 2007, 12:50 PM
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I am still having major success with the Flagyl Vaginally. Since the Yeast Arrest has Boric Acid in it, I would not be able to use it. I developed a major Rash both on my forehead and arms from the Boric Acid. The rash took approx. 6 months to go away, and has left serious scars on my arms. I had several tests done to find out what was wrong, and they finally said, I had an internal reaction to something. I showed my doctor the Boric, and they couldn't say for sure if it was the boric or not, so I tested it. And when I'm not using it, I have no rash. As soon as I use it again, it comes right back.

So, just wanted to give you all a heads up. The rash wasn't life threatening, just annoying and itchy as crap. So, keep that in mind if you decide to use it.

I'm so happy that we are having such "Good" luck with what we are trying. I can remember all of us a year ago, and how frustrated we all were.

Keep the faith girls!! Without the help of doctors, we are finding our own "Cures"!!
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post Apr 21 2007, 05:40 AM
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QUOTE(anitsirhc @ Apr 20 2007, 07:55 PM) *
just doing some research and found this, i thought it could be helpful. it's a long process but hey it's worth a try. maybe a long process is better for some people than trying a quick cure. the first step is yeast arrest.

i think i'm going to try this so anyway here's the link, sorry if you've seen it before already.

http://www.rockwellnutrition.com/product.asp?itemid=1208


Great website and products. biggrin.gif Thank you for the information. For all who are using the yeast arrest this website is great and all who may be interested in using this product check it out. It also talks about how long you may have to use the product. Great website.
Thank you for that... biggrin.gif


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post Apr 21 2007, 05:30 AM
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thanks bvgirl. i saw it in a health food store near my house so i'll get it from there. but how often do you use it? i read the directions, it says twice a day once in the morning and once at night. do you use it every single day? i wouldn't really want to use something every day but i guess if that works then i'll do it. and does the stuff leak out all day long? thanks for your help smile.gif



What you do is use it twice a day for two weeks. Once in the morning and once in the evening. If the bv cleared up within those two weeks and you have no smell then use it once a day during your period(for me I used it everyday while I was on my period) do this for 4-5 months or 4-5 menstrual cycles as a way of maintaining a balanced ph while on your menstrual cycle. Because if you are like me the bv smell is strongest after my menstrual cycle and so I guess that is why they suggest to use it during your cycle. I have about 4 days left and no smell. I am getting anxious because after the four days I will have to go off of it until next months menstrual cycle so I am a bit nervous about that because it has been workking great while I am on it and so I hope it stays this way. It looks to me that this will be a maintainance program that I will follow since it works so well and so very quickly. Even if it comes back while I have to wait until next months period I will use it before my menstrual. I don't see any harm in that plus since it has been years since I have been without the smell it may just take a while to get my ph somewhat regulated. I am also taking Natures Way Primadophilus so I can get a healthy bacteria count back into my vagina to prevent this bv. It is always good to take a supplement to help with all the out of control bad bacteria that has invaded our tract and vagina. I understand how you feel when you say that you really don't want to use something everyday. I know it has been a long time coming for me with regards to relief so if I have to use it everyday for a while so be it. I know how much of a headache it can be with having to use something everyday but just continue to try it out maybe you will not have to use it everyday after the intital two weeks.
Using it as a preventative during our cycle seems much better to me because afterall we are flowing so the yellow discharge from the yeast arrest is tolerable. laugh.gif


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oh. wrong thread, sorry!
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QUOTE(persona36 @ Apr 20 2007, 08:32 PM) *
Still doing well with the yeast arrest, I have been using it at bedtime and also morning for 12 days. I believe it began to clear me up about the third day but the reccomendations I have read say to use it up to 2 weeks. I also found that the discharge from the suppository isnt too bad like I thought it would be. If you are still looking for that cure, I reccomend this.


Yes, biggrin.gif I certainly agree with you on the yeast arrest. Again, I know you all may be tired of me stating how great yeast arrest is but I am so happy that it works so well. I hope when any of you decide to try it out that it works well for you too. I fully understand that it is not a cure but at least I can get some relief from that awful smell and although I may have to use it every month or so when and if it comes back well at least I know that it completely rid me of the smell and restored my confidence. It really boost my self image to be able to not have to wear deodorant pads every day to mask the smell. Now I can go panti- less. I feel great. Lets hope it lasts for a reasonable time.... Go ahead ladies and give it a try, it won't hurt...It will help others...


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Still doing well with the yeast arrest, I have been using it at bedtime and also morning for 12 days. I believe it began to clear me up about the third day but the reccomendations I have read say to use it up to 2 weeks. I also found that the discharge from the suppository isnt too bad like I thought it would be. If you are still looking for that cure, I reccomend this.
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just doing some research and found this, i thought it could be helpful. it's a long process but hey it's worth a try. maybe a long process is better for some people than trying a quick cure. the first step is yeast arrest.

i think i'm going to try this so anyway here's the link, sorry if you've seen it before already.

http://www.rockwellnutrition.com/product.asp?itemid=1208
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thanks bvgirl. i saw it in a health food store near my house so i'll get it from there. but how often do you use it? i read the directions, it says twice a day once in the morning and once at night. do you use it every single day? i wouldn't really want to use something every day but i guess if that works then i'll do it. and does the stuff leak out all day long? thanks for your help smile.gif
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