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sweetsong
post May 14 2011, 11:17 PM
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Can you describe the odor and the color/consistency of the discharge? It could be something else. You really need a wet mount to get a diagnosis.


the odor continually smells like crap, literally. that's the best way i know how to describe it without going into detail or telling one of my many humiliating stories. (i hate even admitting that, but i guess this isn't really the place to feel embarrassed..) the consistency is really thin. the color changes daily, it seems. yesterday it was darker brown, today it's really light brown. and today's been a worse day, so i'm not sure if that means something or not.

also thanks to swt simplicity, your responses are always incredibly thorough, and encouraging. i'm going to get a good vitamin d supplement tomorrow.

my spirits are low. just when i start to think i'm getting better, i have a day like today.
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post May 12 2011, 04:18 PM
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So Im sure Im fine. =)

That's good news then smile.gif I was beginning to think a lot of harm could be done in terms of your progress if you stayed on the diflucan for a long time.

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hey everyone, i haven't posted here in a while. when i described my experience with BV a few months ago, i got a couple really helpful responses. someone suggested that i try fem-d, so i took it daily for a few days and noticed no change at all. occasionally i felt like my symptoms got worse after i took it..

something i'm wondering about: i'm beginning to think that there's a chance i don't have BV, that it's something else? when i first got diagnosed with BV back in high school and again in college, my symptoms were much different. the smell is much worse now, not fishy like i often see it described, and the color is peculiar and changes almost daily. no itching, discomfort, pain of any sort. it's literally just discharge and odor. (sometimes i feel like i'd rather have itching and pain than this horrid smell..) do any of you have any ideas of something else it could be, if not BV?

i'm moving in three weeks to live and work on a farm. i'm so excited, but i can't imagine going there in my current condition. i'm really worried. any advice, vitamin or pill suggestions, or encouragement that i'm not the only one going through this would be so appreciated.

<3

A vaginal odor and discharge [usually] signifies an infection or an STD. I don't want to name things and lead you in the wrong direction because, it's not wise to give diagnoses over the internet since those suggestions are more often than not very misleading.

I would suggest not trying to irrigate or "flush out" the vagina, since that isn't healthy in any way, shape, or form, and if you were to get examined by a gynecologist, you definitely want the condition of your flora to stay as is, in order to get an accurate diagnosis. Don't do any suppositories, douching, or insertions 72 hours prior to your visit. And don't forget, the vagina is self cleaning smile.gif Even though you might feel unclean sometimes, it's just because there is something wrong, not because your not clean [enough].

If you haven't read The V Book yet, I highly suggest that you do. It covers a lot of topics pertaining to the vulva and vagina. And best of all, it consistently provides lots of accurate information.

As far as supplement suggestions go, you can't go wrong taking a high quality vitamin D supplement, since women that are low in vitamin D are very suspectible to developing bacterial vaginosis. I'll provide links here:
  1. Vitamin D Deficiency Linked to Bacterial Vaginosis
  2. Maternal Vitamin D Deficiency Is Associated with Bacterial Vaginosis in the First Trimester of Pregnancy
  3. Vitamin D Insufficiency Linked To Bacterial Vaginosis In Pregnant Women

*All three links are from very credible sources. The Medscape one might not open since it sometimes prompts viewers to sign in. You should sign up, since it's an excellent source for the most updated health information.

Based on the three links above, you can see there is a nutritional factor that affects how susceptible a woman is to developing bacterial vaginosis, which leads me to my other link, from the National Institutes of Health, Journal of Nutrition.
  1. Dietary Intake of Selected Nutrients Affects Bacterial Vaginosis in Women
I did a blog post on this a while back (click here). I basically highlighted the article in a nutshell.

It's okay to take vitamins and supplements, but the bigger picture is that it's a lot more than taking the right supplements, you actually need to eat a balanced diet. Vitamins and supplements are really expensive, especially the high quality ones that don't contain any fillers (keep in mind vitamins and supplements are not regulated; it's a self regulated industry).

So, I suggest that you get your vitamin D levels checked. If they are low, your doctor will probably suggest that you take an over the counter supplement. There are two varieties of vitamin D that I can think of, D2 and D3. You need to make sure you pick the right form. You need to pick a dosage of 1,000 mg or higher; those are now the new standards (according to the Harvard School of Public Health). The Harvard School of Public Health actually recommends some people need as high as 2,000 mg of vitamin D. You should read the article to get the full scoop.

I'll keep you posted if I can recommend anything else!


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post May 12 2011, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE(sweetsong @ May 11 2011, 05:01 PM) *
hey everyone, i haven't posted here in a while. when i described my experience with BV a few months ago, i got a couple really helpful responses. someone suggested that i try fem-d, so i took it daily for a few days and noticed no change at all. occasionally i felt like my symptoms got worse after i took it..

something i'm wondering about: i'm beginning to think that there's a chance i don't have BV, that it's something else? when i first got diagnosed with BV back in high school and again in college, my symptoms were much different. the smell is much worse now, not fishy like i often see it described, and the color is peculiar and changes almost daily. no itching, discomfort, pain of any sort. it's literally just discharge and odor. (sometimes i feel like i'd rather have itching and pain than this horrid smell..) do any of you have any ideas of something else it could be, if not BV?

i'm moving in three weeks to live and work on a farm. i'm so excited, but i can't imagine going there in my current condition. i'm really worried. any advice, vitamin or pill suggestions, or encouragement that i'm not the only one going through this would be so appreciated.

<3



Can you describe the odor and the color/consistency of the discharge? It could be something else. You really need a wet mount to get a diagnosis.
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post May 11 2011, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE(sweetsong @ May 11 2011, 04:01 PM) *
hey everyone, i haven't posted here in a while. when i described my experience with BV a few months ago, i got a couple really helpful responses. someone suggested that i try fem-d, so i took it daily for a few days and noticed no change at all. occasionally i felt like my symptoms got worse after i took it..

something i'm wondering about: i'm beginning to think that there's a chance i don't have BV, that it's something else? when i first got diagnosed with BV back in high school and again in college, my symptoms were much different. the smell is much worse now, not fishy like i often see it described, and the color is peculiar and changes almost daily. no itching, discomfort, pain of any sort. it's literally just discharge and odor. (sometimes i feel like i'd rather have itching and pain than this horrid smell..) do any of you have any ideas of something else it could be, if not BV?

i'm moving in three weeks to live and work on a farm. i'm so excited, but i can't imagine going there in my current condition. i'm really worried. any advice, vitamin or pill suggestions, or encouragement that i'm not the only one going through this would be so appreciated.

<3


Hey there,

I'm new to the board so I don't know if this has been suggested already but I'm a big fan of earthclinic.com. It's a site devoted to homeopathic cures and they have dozens of user suggestions for bv. the top cures are hydrogen peroxide douche and probiotics with folio acid. but if you scroll through the cures their are other suggestions like supplements and essential oils that have worked for some. it's a good reference for any ailment.
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post May 11 2011, 04:01 PM
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hey everyone, i haven't posted here in a while. when i described my experience with BV a few months ago, i got a couple really helpful responses. someone suggested that i try fem-d, so i took it daily for a few days and noticed no change at all. occasionally i felt like my symptoms got worse after i took it..

something i'm wondering about: i'm beginning to think that there's a chance i don't have BV, that it's something else? when i first got diagnosed with BV back in high school and again in college, my symptoms were much different. the smell is much worse now, not fishy like i often see it described, and the color is peculiar and changes almost daily. no itching, discomfort, pain of any sort. it's literally just discharge and odor. (sometimes i feel like i'd rather have itching and pain than this horrid smell..) do any of you have any ideas of something else it could be, if not BV?

i'm moving in three weeks to live and work on a farm. i'm so excited, but i can't imagine going there in my current condition. i'm really worried. any advice, vitamin or pill suggestions, or encouragement that i'm not the only one going through this would be so appreciated.

<3
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melis19750
post May 10 2011, 02:32 PM
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No it wasnt a high dosage
it was 200 mg per day. It was supposed to be for a month. But I only did a weeks worth. My dermatologist said she is GLAD I did the diflucan because if it was yeast in my skin- its dead now.

She also said 200 mg is a mild dosage. Usually for someone with systemic candida they give 400 mg a day for at least 2 weeks.

Yeah I don't know I think DR Crandall is great- knows her stuff- but she automatically assumes its this form of yeast.

My doctor said diflucan probably caused me no harm- she sees more liver damagae- etc; when people use Tylenol or advil daily.

So Im sure Im fine. =)
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swt simplicity
post May 10 2011, 01:44 PM
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Hi sweet
you know what I think I let Dr. Crandall get to my head- as I was miserable with this discomfort. She diagnosed me from talking to me, but not by SEEING my vulva. So much so I convinced my doctor I had this. I took 6 days worth of diflucan and my tongue because extremely PALE- (not coated) and, not only that no relief in symptoms. If it were "red yeast" after about a week of diflucan i should have had some relief in symptoms. SO- went to my internal med doctor- she looked at me (tongue and vulva)
she said my tongue was pale because the diflucan was affecting my organs...
and my vagina was irritated more from 2 days worth of those nystatin inserts
as well as past boric acid usage- etc;

so she had me go off everything and sent my to a dermatologist

the dermatologist said "If you had yeast- you killed it by now with the diflucan",
and she thinks its honestly that I have more of an irritation on my vulvar thats just going to take some time to heal- its most likely due to all the meds and boric acid....
to just be patient. it will go away.

so I think I just panicked when I consulted with dr crandall. word of advice- never let anyone diagnose you without actually seeing what they are diagnosing!

I do not have any infection-
and im hoping i didnt do any internal damage with taking diflucan for a week.
oh- some of us just go to extremes when we panic -obviously that was me!

dr crandall is intelligent and knows her stuff- but nobody should be diagnosed without being seen

although my derm said "Im glad you did the diflucan for a week- now we can rule out YEAST as a cause"

It's strange to think Dr. Crandall would prescribe you medication without even diagnosing you first. Someone with her expertise should know better. I would expect that kind of scenario to occur if someone was dealing with an amateur gynecologist. I've been in the situation where I was given a prescription without getting diagnosed, but that happened with my general practitioner and she wasn't a specialist in the area of gynecology. Nothing happened to me though. I'm a firm believer in a diagnose then moving onto treatment, rather than taking random treatments and hoping that one of them works. It's not good for the body. Were you taking a high dose of diflucan? Well, regardless of how much diflucan you took for however long, only time will tell whether it has done any damage to your body.
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Hi Chicas

I've been taking Oil of Oregano/ Oreganol p73. They have a website oreganol.com I've been using a lot and I'm only about 1/3 into the bottle. So far I haven't seen any side bad effects (besides some intense stinging/burning on contact only lasts 2 minutes, it's also pretty strong tasting some people hate it apparently but I don't think it's too bad) I've read that it also is supposed to help with candida which is a bonus! I read there's dozens of reviews on amazon from people using it for everything from fungal infections/psoriasis/acne to the flu and sinus infections both topically and internally(ingesting). I plan on sticking with it until I finish the bottle.

I think everyone needs to try different things because we all might be dealing with different kinds of pathogens that are causing our symptoms. That was another reason why I decided to try the oregano oil because it's supposed to be pretty broad spectrum. I suspect that I may have been dealing with a strep or other kind of infection because my last bv test about 2 months ago came back negative (although all of my symptoms were still there).

It's fascinating to hear essential oils like grape seed extract, garlic oil, and beyond help with bacterial vaginosis. I don't doubt it, because I've tried encapsulated Echinacea (eck-in-a-sha) for a short period of time and I noticed a difference. It was a random supplement, and I don't remember what brand or strength it was. My mother would always make me drink a clove tea when I was sick. I always thought, why does she bother? Funny thing is, I did some research the other day on clove oil, and clove oil is supposedly one of the most potent natural antimicrobial natural oils; cinnamon oil is said to be the best in most categories, in terms of anti-fungal, antibacterial, and so on. She would just boil water, and pop some cloves into the cup, and pour the water over it. I always thought it was silly and preferred to take a traditional cold medicine.

Now I'm also wondering if these essential oils, which supposedly target both gram positive and negative bacteria, yeasts, pathogens [and beyond] also target the good bacteria too ...

I'll take the time to sort this out and share the news with you.


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post May 10 2011, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(swt simplicity @ May 9 2011, 01:57 PM) *
Did Dr. Crandall diagnose you yet? Or are you getting treated under the impression that there is a red yeast growing inside of the skin?
I've read various scientific articles that state oregano oil has antimicrobial and antioxidant properties [depending heavily on the concentration levels]. Many of the studies provided very broad and general results though. What brand of oregano oil have you been taking?



Hi sweet
you know what I think I let Dr. Crandall get to my head- as I was miserable with this discomfort. She diagnosed me from talking to me, but not by SEEING my vulva. So much so I convinced my doctor I had this. I took 6 days worth of diflucan and my tongue because extremely PALE- (not coated) and, not only that no relief in symptoms. If it were "red yeast" after about a week of diflucan i should have had some relief in symptoms. SO- went to my internal med doctor- she looked at me (tongue and vulva)
she said my tongue was pale because the diflucan was affecting my organs...
and my vagina was irritated more from 2 days worth of those nystatin inserts
as well as past boric acid usage- etc;

so she had me go off everything and sent my to a dermatologist

the dermatologist said "If you had yeast- you killed it by now with the diflucan",
and she thinks its honestly that I have more of an irritation on my vulvar thats just going to take some time to heal- its most likely due to all the meds and boric acid....
to just be patient. it will go away.

so I think I just panicked when I consulted with dr crandall. word of advice- never let anyone diagnose you without actually seeing what they are diagnosing!

I do not have any infection-
and im hoping i didnt do any internal damage with taking diflucan for a week.
oh- some of us just go to extremes when we panic -obviously that was me!

dr crandall is intelligent and knows her stuff- but nobody should be diagnosed without being seen

although my derm said "Im glad you did the diflucan for a week- now we can rule out YEAST as a cause"

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post May 9 2011, 10:16 PM
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Hi Chicas

I've been taking Oil of Oregano/ Oreganol p73. They have a website oreganol.com I've been using a lot and I'm only about 1/3 into the bottle. So far I haven't seen any side bad effects (besides some intense stinging/burning on contact only lasts 2 minutes, it's also pretty strong tasting some people hate it apparently but I don't think it's too bad) I've read that it also is supposed to help with candida which is a bonus! I read there's dozens of reviews on amazon from people using it for everything from fungal infections/psoriasis/acne to the flu and sinus infections both topically and internally(ingesting). I plan on sticking with it until I finish the bottle.

I think everyone needs to try different things because we all might be dealing with different kinds of pathogens that are causing our symptoms. That was another reason why I decided to try the oregano oil because it's supposed to be pretty broad spectrum. I suspect that I may have been dealing with a strep or other kind of infection because my last bv test about 2 months ago came back negative (although all of my symptoms were still there).
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post May 9 2011, 01:57 PM
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well you would have to read her packet to understand it. its too much to explain. Basically if i start feeling better- even in a week. What i would do is continue for a remaining 2 weeks
and than one a month for a while

this is also mentioned briefly in the V book- this method... under yeast infections

I guess Dr Stewart kind of does the same approach.

I cant use yeast creams right now- i seem to be allergic to the base.

idk- it seems boric acid suppositories really took a tole on me. =(

Did Dr. Crandall diagnose you yet? Or are you getting treated under the impression that there is a red yeast growing inside of the skin?

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Hey ladies

I've been reading all the forums I could find about bv over the past 3 years since I was diagnosed and I figured it's time to join the discussion. Some history - I tired hydrogen peroxide along with the probiotics and foilc acid to no avail. I was just completely dried out and the symptoms came back with a vengence even after 3 weeks of treatment. I've also tried: anti biotics metrogel flagyl clindesse, aci-jell, enzara, anti candida diet and exercise, boric acid capsules (all while abstaining from sex)

This is the only thing that worked for me - I used oregano oil orally and topically(although it says on the bottle not to use it vaginally).

After 2 weeks of a couple of drops a day orally a few times a day and 1 drop vaginally twice a day for 7 days then once a day for another 7 days I'm bv free for the first time in 3 years. I know it's probably inadvisable to use this oil vagininally because it does sting a lot! It was the only thing that worked for me. I used plain yogurt vaginally to help reestablish the lactobacillis in the area although I read online that oregano oil does not kill the lactobacialls but I don't know if this is true.

You can buy this at healthfood stores or online if you want to try. smile.gif

I've read various scientific articles that state oregano oil has antimicrobial and antioxidant properties [depending heavily on the concentration levels]. Many of the studies provided very broad and general results though. What brand of oregano oil have you been taking?


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post May 8 2011, 09:41 PM
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Hey ladies

I've been reading all the forums I could find about bv over the past 3 years since I was diagnosed and I figured it's time to join the discussion. Some history - I tired hydrogen peroxide along with the probiotics and foilc acid to no avail. I was just completely dried out and the symptoms came back with a vengence even after 3 weeks of treatment. I've also tried: anti biotics metrogel flagyl clindesse, aci-jell, enzara, anti candida diet and exercise, boric acid capsules (all while abstaining from sex)

This is the only thing that worked for me - I used oregano oil orally and topically(although it says on the bottle not to use it vaginally).

After 2 weeks of a couple of drops a day orally a few times a day and 1 drop vaginally twice a day for 7 days then once a day for another 7 days I'm bv free for the first time in 3 years. I know it's probably inadvisable to use this oil vagininally because it does sting a lot! It was the only thing that worked for me. I used plain yogurt vaginally to help reestablish the lactobacillis in the area although I read online that oregano oil does not kill the lactobacialls but I don't know if this is true.

You can buy this at healthfood stores or online if you want to try. smile.gif





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post May 6 2011, 03:40 PM
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Yikes ohmy.gif
Dr. Crandall's approach sounds really intense. I'd like to know what is her plan if the yeast becomes resistant to the medications over a period of time.


well you would have to read her packet to understand it. its too much to explain. Basically if i start feeling better- even in a week. What i would do is continue for a remaining 2 weeks
and than one a month for a while

this is also mentioned briefly in the V book- this method... under yeast infections

I guess Dr Stewart kind of does the same approach.

I cant use yeast creams right now- i seem to be allergic to the base.

idk- it seems boric acid suppositories really took a tole on me. =(
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post May 6 2011, 01:31 PM
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DR Crandall is great but she has an EXTREME approach of treating this with topical steroids, topical antifungal, and oral antifungal for at least 1 month if not many months
so were taking a little lighter side of this. although diflucan daily isnt what i wanted to do.... but it seems needed =(

Yikes ohmy.gif
Dr. Crandall's approach sounds really intense. I'd like to know what is her plan if the yeast becomes resistant to the medications over a period of time.


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post May 3 2011, 06:16 PM
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RED YEAST
simply means - yeast inside your skin aka: intracellular yeast. it can be any strain. If you happen to have irritation or itching or burning, etc; one or more of the following vaginally- but all cultures are negative
many times my doc said its yeast in the skin.

NO MORE suppositories for me

here is what my doctor actually has me doing
diflucan 200mg a day for 3-6 weeks
i need something systemic to get to this

also- he is MAD that my GYN put me on topical steroids when i already prob had that non albican yeast

any topcial steroid applied where yeast may be will only make it grow.

so topically he wants me to do extra virgin unrefined coconut oil on my skin- which feels great by the way- MUCH better than any topical steroid ive used including those dang hydrocortisone ovules.

also i dont have any irregular discharge- cultures again for bacteria/yeast are negative so he said not to use those nystatin tablets vaginally

simply try diflucan first- after all dr. stewart in her book also recommended to do diflucan daily for a while if you cant resolve your issue.

so im confident this will work. although this means i permanently will have to stay on this candida diet for a LONG TIME

and tomorrow im seeing my allergist and getting the skin testing done (intradermal)

as for the vaginal yeast infection- i dont have it internally- it is most likely in the skin if indeed this is what it is.

to be sure, you would need a Biopsy or skin scrapping, but i opted out. Im already irritated there
i want to leave well enough alone and try and get this sucker systemically
my vaginal pH is all back to normal
my vaginal secretions all look normal
no more color on the discharge.

no odor
simply most likely yeast in the skin (aka; red yeast)

DR Crandall is great but she has an EXTREME approach of treating this with topical steroids, topical antifungal, and oral antifungal for at least 1 month if not many months


so were taking a little lighter side of this. although diflucan daily isnt what i wanted to do.... but it seems needed =(


QUOTE(swt simplicity @ May 3 2011, 01:51 PM) *
Having another round of suppositories doesn't sound fun. Hopefully it doesn't affect your pH negatively, or cause this ping pong of bacteria and yeast overgrowth. mellow.gif

I've gotten tested for food sensitivities and everything came back negative too. My general practitioner even told me that the allergy tests aren't the most reliable or accurate. She said the best way to pinpoint food sensitivities or allergies is to pay attention to your body and it's reaction to what ever your exposed to. After I found that out, I was a little irritated. I haven't actually gone to an allergist yet. Maybe they have better tests available.

What kind of allergy testing did you get done? Was it a blood test, or something else? I only got the blood test done and I heard that method is probably the least reliable sad.gif

By "red yeast", do you mean something from the rhodotorula species? And you think this yeast is inside the skin where exactly, the perineum, near the vulva, or somewhere else?

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post May 3 2011, 01:51 PM
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oh yeah btw the only other thing i can think of is possibly intracellular yeast (red yeast/ aka inside the skin and cant be detected) if thats the case i unfortunantly will have to go on long term diflucan or other anti fungal like sporonax. I did do a phone consultation with marjorie crandall (mentioned in the v book) shes a microbiologist with pHd in Candida/fungal infections

she believes i have red yeast
and need diflucan either 100mg or 200mg daily for at least a month and nystatin insert inside the vagina
not too thrilled how i feel about that. but i do want to get better

so im talking to my MD and my GYN about this
and seeing an allergist to test me for candida and yeast allergies
if positive will get injections for that
so far every damn culture is negative
but im sure it would be
my vaginal discharge is in fact normal looking/ smelling

im just irritated
more so after the cortisone
=(

Having another round of suppositories doesn't sound fun. Hopefully it doesn't affect your pH negatively, or cause this ping pong of bacteria and yeast overgrowth. mellow.gif

I've gotten tested for food sensitivities and everything came back negative too. My general practitioner even told me that the allergy tests aren't the most reliable or accurate. She said the best way to pinpoint food sensitivities or allergies is to pay attention to your body and it's reaction to what ever your exposed to. After I found that out, I was a little irritated. I haven't actually gone to an allergist yet. Maybe they have better tests available.

What kind of allergy testing did you get done? Was it a blood test, or something else? I only got the blood test done and I heard that method is probably the least reliable sad.gif

By "red yeast", do you mean something from the rhodotorula species? And you think this yeast is inside the skin where exactly, the perineum, near the vulva, or somewhere else?


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post May 2 2011, 08:43 PM
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oh yeah btw the only other thing i can think of is possibly intracellular yeast (red yeast/ aka inside the skin and cant be detected) if thats the case i unfortunantly will have to go on long term diflucan or other anti fungal like sporonax. I did do a phone consultation with marjorie crandall (mentioned in the v book) shes a microbiologist with pHd in Candida/fungal infections

she believes i have red yeast
and need diflucan either 100mg or 200mg daily for at least a month and nystatin insert inside the vagina
not too thrilled how i feel about that. but i do want to get better

so im talking to my MD and my GYN about this
and seeing an allergist to test me for candida and yeast allergies
if positive will get injections for that


so far every damn culture is negative
but im sure it would be
my vaginal discharge is in fact normal looking/ smelling

im just irritated
more so after the cortisone
=(

QUOTE(melis19750 @ May 1 2011, 02:34 PM) *
Hi there
yeah I know the myth has been debunked... however Marjorie Crandall (whom Dr Stewart cited in her book about a few things such as yeast allergies) states that lactobacillus overgrowth is real. The only real treatment for that she said is to do sitz baths with baking soda... (im not doing that though because i dont know if this is my cause)

I def think the boric acid caused major inflammation- some finally gone with me- some still here. But Im trying to let things resolve naturally without using anymore steroids. I do use my desonide 0.05% ointment once a week in one area that seems to flair.

But I dont want to thin my skin... or cause something else that cortisones are known to do- ie: fungal infections, bacterial infections of skin...
yeah i really dont know whats going on with me. Every culture is completely negative with "normal growth of vaginal flora"....

but I do see my vulvar specialist -Dr. Willems in CA soon- May 15th...

he wants me using estrogen cream to thicken up my skin near the entrance of the vagina... but you know I tried it twice and it causes an allergic reaction- must be something in the base of the cream im allergic too

all i know is ive never been sensitive or had allergies before and now i do- frustrating
I do wish I had money to come and see Dr Stewart. But unfortunately I dont. Although southern CA supposed to have a lot of good doctors.. i just seem to get the same answer from everyone-
its just inflammation
but its been quite depressing dealing with this

so Im trying alternative treatments
acupuncture- DR MCCOMBs plan (being its gentle- non toxic) for 16 weeks- im on week 4 now

as far as exercise.... DR MCCOMBS states that exercise is great but not for releasing toxins.... because your using MUSCLE while exercising

you need to be relaxed and release toxins naturally. I know waisting water not a great thing... but I end up doing stuff with the water like watering my plants, cleaning the bathroom... etc;
so at least i feel im making use of it

OH when i used fem d- i just took it out of the capsule and put it in with my finger
it would desolve easily.

i dont really like those gelatin capsules, they left me all sticky

i only stuck with those while on the boric acid treatment... which hopefully i never have to do again
cuz it literally made things worse

I wasnt as irritated with the yeast as I was with the inflammation caused by the BA
but thankfully its finally starting to subside
I only pray things get way better before i see dr willems

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post May 1 2011, 02:34 PM
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Hi there
yeah I know the myth has been debunked... however Marjorie Crandall (whom Dr Stewart cited in her book about a few things such as yeast allergies) states that lactobacillus overgrowth is real. The only real treatment for that she said is to do sitz baths with baking soda... (im not doing that though because i dont know if this is my cause)

I def think the boric acid caused major inflammation- some finally gone with me- some still here. But Im trying to let things resolve naturally without using anymore steroids. I do use my desonide 0.05% ointment once a week in one area that seems to flair.

But I dont want to thin my skin... or cause something else that cortisones are known to do- ie: fungal infections, bacterial infections of skin...


yeah i really dont know whats going on with me. Every culture is completely negative with "normal growth of vaginal flora"....

but I do see my vulvar specialist -Dr. Willems in CA soon- May 15th...

he wants me using estrogen cream to thicken up my skin near the entrance of the vagina... but you know I tried it twice and it causes an allergic reaction- must be something in the base of the cream im allergic too

all i know is ive never been sensitive or had allergies before and now i do- frustrating
I do wish I had money to come and see Dr Stewart. But unfortunately I dont. Although southern CA supposed to have a lot of good doctors.. i just seem to get the same answer from everyone-
its just inflammation
but its been quite depressing dealing with this

so Im trying alternative treatments
acupuncture- DR MCCOMBs plan (being its gentle- non toxic) for 16 weeks- im on week 4 now

as far as exercise.... DR MCCOMBS states that exercise is great but not for releasing toxins.... because your using MUSCLE while exercising

you need to be relaxed and release toxins naturally. I know waisting water not a great thing... but I end up doing stuff with the water like watering my plants, cleaning the bathroom... etc;
so at least i feel im making use of it

OH when i used fem d- i just took it out of the capsule and put it in with my finger
it would desolve easily.

i dont really like those gelatin capsules, they left me all sticky

i only stuck with those while on the boric acid treatment... which hopefully i never have to do again
cuz it literally made things worse

I wasnt as irritated with the yeast as I was with the inflammation caused by the BA
but thankfully its finally starting to subside
I only pray things get way better before i see dr willems
QUOTE(swt simplicity @ May 1 2011, 07:37 AM) *
You should opt for a good cardiovascular exercise if you want to effectively work up a sweat. On top of that, you would be saving money by not using so much hot water. It's more environmentally and economically friendly smile.gif

I can understand why you would think your experiencing an overgrowth of good bacteria, but it has to be something else that is causing your symptoms. Apparently it's not possible for the good bacteria to overgrow since they would "keep each other in check". The CV theory has been debunked, so it's not even a real issue. With that said, I guess you have to keep your options open as to what is the real problem. Most women that are experiencing CV-like symptoms usually have a form of non-specific vaginitis, basically a vaginitis that isn't caused by an infection, but the symptoms are basically the same, i.e. inflammation, discharge, burning, itching etc. The symptoms are usually brought on by sensitivities. For example, I was on boric acid for a long time, and I experienced inflammation as a result of it, which came as a form of non-specific vaginitis. There was no infection, since the boric acid clearly killed it (along with everything else).

Did you insert the Fem-Dophilus in a gelatin capsule? I think you told me about this before at some point.

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QUOTE(melis19750 @ Apr 30 2011, 02:17 PM) *
as far as sweating. I just turn my bathroom into a sauna for about 20 min. put my shower on hot, and sit with my clothes on - on the toilet or bathroom floor and do my nails...
or facial
I dont know much about sweating, but its part of the plan...so i figure i need to do it the 6 times a week required or DR MCCOMBS states the program wont work as well.

But I wonder if i really have a yeast issue

I know you say Cytolytic vaginosis(CV) does not exist as in the V Book also states
but Im definitly wondering if this is possibly my cause of vaginitis as i have the symptoms off and on, and the only thing on my cultures is growth of NORMAL BACTERIA.

Im pretty sure if I had yeast- it would have grown at some point
Ive literally had one culture a week in the last 2 months
all negative for yeast

even a new special DNA culture for yeast with yeast sensitivity from a completely different lab just to be sure

but i decided to let my doctor do one last round of cultures this thursday
and if its all negative again
im def wondering about the over growth of normal bacteria.

especially since I have in the past used femdophilus vaginally. I have since stopped doing that to see if anything helps.


You should opt for a good cardiovascular exercise if you want to effectively work up a sweat. On top of that, you would be saving money by not using so much hot water. It's more environmentally and economically friendly smile.gif

I can understand why you would think your experiencing an overgrowth of good bacteria, but it has to be something else that is causing your symptoms. Apparently it's not possible for the good bacteria to overgrow since they would "keep each other in check". The CV theory has been debunked, so it's not even a real issue. With that said, I guess you have to keep your options open as to what is the real problem. Most women that are experiencing CV-like symptoms usually have a form of non-specific vaginitis, basically a vaginitis that isn't caused by an infection, but the symptoms are basically the same, i.e. inflammation, discharge, burning, itching etc. The symptoms are usually brought on by sensitivities. For example, I was on boric acid for a long time, and I experienced inflammation as a result of it, which came as a form of non-specific vaginitis. There was no infection, since the boric acid clearly killed it (along with everything else).

Did you insert the Fem-Dophilus in a gelatin capsule? I think you told me about this before at some point.


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post Apr 30 2011, 01:17 PM
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Hi sweet

so some news- yes im still doing the yeast free diet. I actually have too..
I had allergy testing done for foods/ herbs..and turns out im allergic to brewers yeast/baking yeast

wow!!! as well as tuna and cinnamon (which i love =(....)

however I am following the mccombs plan
but doing very little fruit. Im mainly eating a few berries -raspberries, black berries, strawberries. A few red grapes, a few apple slices... but only granny smith variety.

and Im allowed brown rice- HOT brown rice cereal (YUM), and brown rice cakes.
I have now lost 18 pounds on just this diet alone- so physically i look better. I did need to lose some weight.

Vaginally- I had a bad setback easter Sunday- BUT i think I may now know part of the problem.... I may have HSV-
because i developed a burning, tingling, stabbing sensation- needed ice packs
and i had a lot of excessive normal looking discharge

and later on a small bump formed. I did see my GYN on THURSDAY (this week) and she said she sees the bump but too late to culture for herpes as you have to test for it within 48 hours of an active outbreak.
but im taking valtrex- seems to be helping


although, who knows whats going on down there- she also re cultured me for everything- YEAST, BV, bacterial, etc
and BTW everytime I have tested for HSV it comes back negative...

But Im hoping eventually things get back to normal. I did have to put some of the cortisone ointment on last night on one area of my perineum as it got a little inflamed. I hope after im done with the mccombs plan my body just starts going back to normal.

as far as sweating. I just turn my bathroom into a sauna for about 20 min. put my shower on hot, and sit with my clothes on - on the toilet or bathroom floor and do my nails...
or facial
I dont know much about sweating, but its part of the plan...so i figure i need to do it the 6 times a week required or DR MCCOMBS states the program wont work as well.

But I wonder if i really have a yeast issue

I know you say Cytolytic vaginosis(CV) does not exist as in the V Book also states
but Im definitly wondering if this is possibly my cause of vaginitis as i have the symptoms off and on, and the only thing on my cultures is growth of NORMAL BACTERIA.

Im pretty sure if I had yeast- it would have grown at some point
Ive literally had one culture a week in the last 2 months
all negative for yeast

even a new special DNA culture for yeast with yeast sensitivity from a completely different lab just to be sure

but i decided to let my doctor do one last round of cultures this thursday
and if its all negative again
im def wondering about the over growth of normal bacteria.

especially since I have in the past used femdophilus vaginally. I have since stopped doing that to see if anything helps.

but we will see


ill keep you posted


QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Apr 30 2011, 07:39 AM) *
Since your familiar with the Jeff McCombs diet, how does sweating help detoxify? I've heard a lot of information on how sweating helps the body release toxins, but I haven't actually looked into it, aside from the fact that the liver and kidneys are organs in the body that filter out toxins in the body (among other things). I do know that sweating does help secrete apocrine (a substance that contributes to body odor). Aprocrine builds up in the aprocrine glands and sweating releases that substance. Other than that, sweating is a liquid similar to urea. I've read various articles that state sweating releases trace amounts of toxins, but it's not going to aid in this massive detoxification, and the focus should be on the kidneys and liver etc.

Aside from your irritation, it sounds like your on the right track to recovery. And the part about the discharge that your experiencing, your right, it could be from the supplement that your taking. Some vitamins do affect the secretory system, thus affecting the vaginal discharge; Dr. Stewart mentions this in a part of her book. I think it's near towards the end of the chapter on Vaginal Odors.

I was under the assumption that you were still on the "Yeast-Free Diet". Did you take a break from it somewhere in between?

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QUOTE(melis19750 @ Apr 23 2011, 11:46 AM) *
So far I seem to be doing quite well on his plan and I LOVE the diet.
Ive lost about 15 pounds so far... =)
the diet allowes for brown rice and some fruit- mainly berries and pears when you first start... eventually allowing other foods at week 9 and than more later on. It is a 16 week plan. But overall im feeling healthier.
It does involve sweating for part of the detox.

Ill let you all know how that goes.

=)
Melissa

Since your familiar with the Jeff McCombs diet, how does sweating help detoxify? I've heard a lot of information on how sweating helps the body release toxins, but I haven't actually looked into it, aside from the fact that the liver and kidneys are organs in the body that filter out toxins in the body (among other things). I do know that sweating does help secrete apocrine (a substance that contributes to body odor). Aprocrine builds up in the aprocrine glands and sweating releases that substance. Other than that, sweating is a liquid similar to urea. I've read various articles that state sweating releases trace amounts of toxins, but it's not going to aid in this massive detoxification, and the focus should be on the kidneys and liver etc.

Aside from your irritation, it sounds like your on the right track to recovery. And the part about the discharge that your experiencing, your right, it could be from the supplement that your taking. Some vitamins do affect the secretory system, thus affecting the vaginal discharge; Dr. Stewart mentions this in a part of her book. I think it's near towards the end of the chapter on Vaginal Odors.

I was under the assumption that you were still on the "Yeast-Free Diet". Did you take a break from it somewhere in between?


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