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Khalia
post Aug 23 2007, 09:34 PM
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I also had Group B strep and I was wondering if this could be part of it. If so I'm in trouble because I don't have a spleen and that is what fights the strep types of bacteria. I am confident that it is BV because the Wet prep test showed the "clue" cells. So, I'm going to focus on getting the lactobacillis back in my body.

I had the bypass just about 10 years ago when they were doing the radical one. They cut my stomach into about 1/4th of its size and moved the "tubing" that leads out of it. Because of this I don't absorb B-12 at all through the stomach. I had pretty much every complication there is possible. The first surgery failed before I even got out of the hospital and was leaking from one side to the other. I got a life threatening pnuemonia and they couldn't fix it. I was so full of antibiotics that I probably had more of them in my system than I did blood!

I was then horribly anemic because they didn't tell me at first that I needed B-12 shots. I had 2 hernia repair surgeries, one with a tummy tuck. I also had a breast reduction and lift, and a thigh and butt lift where they removed a ton of skin. I went from a size 34W to a size 8. My health, and trying to reclaim it has been a mission for the last 10 years and now I have to deal with this and I can't help but feel like the bypass and lack of nutrition has led to this. There is nothing I can do to reverse it and am not sure I would want to, but at least I can do the best I can do to educate myself.

Oh, and to answer the question about meals.. I do purposeful grazing...LOL.. I don't eat very big meals and snack through out the day.

As for the men..yes, I think they can pass it on to us. If they have it in their prostate then they have it in the seminal fluid. Even if they ejaculate outside of us they still "leak". If their systems are weakend then their bacterial balance can be off as well. They don't have the hormonal cycles to magnify the situation, but they can still have an over growth. My now ex husband had problems with his prostate years ago. He went to the urologist who told him he had an infection and the best thing for him was more sex. Oh..great... go fill your wife with bacteria that she can't fight off as easily!! Idiots.
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post Aug 23 2007, 07:54 PM
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Oh it's ok laugh.gif
I am just happy I found this forum. I have learned SO MUCH!
I am going to try the entire treatment process with the Dr and see what happens. For now I am going to stop with all of the B vits and see what happens.

I just figure if I do too much at the same time I won't know what is working and what is not. I am just SOOOOO sick of this problem.

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post Aug 23 2007, 07:02 PM
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Ive'hadenough,

Sorry we didn't respond to you. we weren't ignoring you. We've discovered that most of us in here are hormonal, we get bitchy at times, had a few cat fights, and well, we get busy...it takes a lot of time to be constantly swallowing vitamins, shoving shit up our snatches, and trying to find doctors who know there ass's from the whole in the ground. I have yet to succeed with that task. lol

That tindamax...from the research we found..said only 38% percent effective ( i think that was the number) ..but hey...if it's free it's free. What worries me with all these antibotics is they will kill some bacteria..but cause overgrowths of others..such as strep D, or molunbucis (don't remember how that is spelled. And it is often misdiagnosed as yeast and BV infection instead. (its caused from too many doses of metro-gel) My last doctor hadn't even heard of it, then I went back and he acted like he looked into it...but told me it doesnt have odor which we have already learned otherwise.

Then we have to worry about bactria resistance...and being on the same thing time after time after time will do this. Whenever I take my kid (who is always sick ) to doctor they rotate serveral to avoid this. so why we get the same antibotics time after time bothers me. (they don't even know what bacteria they are messing with...ummm hello 17 new species discovered.

I think some women are cursed with all three whammies..the men who can carry it..as we have discovered...hormonal problems..or other health issues.

I'm a carrier of strep b, but doctors don't seem to be concerned with this. But it causes infection in some women and it is also more than challenging to get rid of it.

I also think some men may just be carriers and never be bothered by it, and then there are some who do become infected (if there immune system is down?...they will get an infection?..

I still have to wonder this..is it haboring in their urinary tract and then spreads to their prostate? Or vice versa?
I know the first time I had unprotected sex with my ex he got a UTI.

He was also on steriod shots for his knee problems..which can weaken immune system, and cause yeast infections.

My PMS...has improved A LOT by just taking vitamins...but I know how bad PMS can get.. I try not to blame anyone for what choices they make in trying to feel better or get rid of this crap. Gastric bypass? I admire your courage Khalia, that seems scary as hell to me. Do you have to eat several times a day? Or just 3 meals a day? So your stomach is smaller..is that all they did during the surgery?

Something else I thought of today...umm my baby couldn't wait to take a dump until he was delievered, so yeah he shit in my uterus. There were 5 specialists awaiting his arrival because of this, and other problems, but what about poor ole' mom..they never gave me any antibotics for this. I guess they assume that my uterus will wash itself out..but what if it didn't???
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post Aug 23 2007, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(neverending @ Aug 23 2007, 04:29 PM) *
i'vehadenough: Glad you got into the study? So, let me get this right, you have a husband and girlfriend?


Well kinda lol. She is my best friend. I know it sounds crazy and probably is.
My husband and I have been involved sexually with her for about 2 years and that is when my problems really started. I had one case of BV about 7 years ago and then nothing until 2 years ago. I didn't really put 2 and 2 together until about 3 months ago. She has never had any symptoms of BV but the Dr I met with today said it is very likely that she has it and just doesn't have symptoms.
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post Aug 23 2007, 03:12 PM
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So, do men carry BV? Doctors say no but it seems research says YES. What should men do to treat themselves? and what about oral sex? can you get bacteria of the throat like HPV of the throat? I hope that makes sense.

i'vehadenough: Glad you got into the study? So, let me get this right, you have a husband and girlfriend?
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post Aug 23 2007, 02:54 PM
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No one ever seems to respond to my posts/questions, but I still figured that I would give my update. I had an appointment with a BV specialist this morning. I had made this appointment back in Feb (the waist is that long), so I was very excited about it. I mentioned to him that I thought the BV was being passed back and forth between myself and a female sexual partner through my husband. I also mentioned that I thought my IUD, that I have since had removed, was also part of the problem. He agreed with both. He ran same tests and said that right now I have a mild case of BV, but as we all know, it will just get worse. Because of my "not normal" sexual patterns, he wants to have me be part of a study he is conducting that is funded by Johnson and Johnson. The best part is that all of the treatment will be FREE!! He asked that I bring my female partner in with me next visit to have her be tests so they can compare her vaginal fluid to mine. He said if she has BV, she will be treated also. So for now, I have to take 500mg of Tindamax for 7 days. After I finish that, I will go in and he will take more samples. I will then do a 21 day treatment of BA and then go see in again after the 21 days. There is another course of treatment at that point but I can not remember what it is. If everything is clear after that he said I will remain on some type of maintenance program. He also said that my husband has to wear a condom for the next 3 months. He believes that treating men does not help but that the BV is store on the urethra and can reinfect.

I am very excited to see the results!!!
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Khalia
post Aug 23 2007, 02:11 PM
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Ok, we have all been told that men don’t get BV. Well, of course they don’t. They don’t have the “V” part of the equation. They CAN however, carry the bacteria that is the major factor in BV, Gardnerella Vaginalis. Because of this, I do think it is important for the men in our lives to also be treated when we are. If they aren’t we will end up getting it back again.

It appears that urologists at least know this even if the family practitioners don’t. I couldn’t find the link, but one article I read said that men can harbor this in their prostate and it is a big factor in inflammation of the prostate. We all know what is produced in the prostate!

Hmmmm….. so, are we just getting it because of pH imbalances, poor nutrition, hormones, or can we possibly be getting it from our partners?


http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/aha/aha_bactvagi_crs.htm
The bacteria associated with bacterial vaginosis are sometimes found in the tips of men's penises. However, men do not usually have any symptoms


http://www.kcom.edu/faculty/chamberlain/We...lecture/vag.htm

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/431453
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/431453_4
http://www.mjbovo.com/Contracept/STD-Gard.htm (men can be carriers)
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlere...gi?artid=265332


Gardnerella vaginalis Infections in Men

The prevalence of G vaginalis in the male population is not completely known. In symptomatic patients, the rate has been estimated to range from 0.2% to 38%, depending on the method of isolation used for detection.[6-9] The highest reported rate was by Ison and Easmon,[10] who found that when semen was specifically cultured for G vaginalis in asymptomatic men, the rate of isolation was 38%. In addition, in men with partners who have G vaginalis vaginitis, the organism can be isolated from a urethral swab in 50% to 90% of cases.[11,12] For this reason, it is recommended that both partners be treated with oral metronidazole, 500 mg bid for 7 days, to reduce the rate of reinfection. Although G vaginalis most commonly causes asymptomatic infection, serious pathology has been attributed to it in some men. Significant clinical infections that have been reported are in Table 1.[13,14]

http://www.infeksiyon.org/en/Detail_en.asp...amp;Article=618
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post Aug 23 2007, 02:08 PM
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Honestly, I'm not sure when the problem initially started. I'm sure that hormones have a lot to do with it, but I'm serious when I say that I am the raging bitch from hell if I'm not on them. It isn't just simple PMS. It is the mother of all PMS. Premenstral Dysmorphic Disorder , which means I Morph into this screaming beast from the depths of Hades with hair on my teeth. So, going off of them isn't an option unless I want to kill someone or have them kill me.

One thing that probably has contributed to it is that I have been on some MAJOR antibiotics over the last 10 years. After my gastric bypass I had a hospital based pneumonia and was on 23 days of IV antibiotics. I have to say that it got much worse from there. Come to think of it, most of the time I wasn't even on birth control because I had my tubes tied. I only went back on them when I couldn't stand myself for 20 days a month. I would almost think that some birth control would be helpful if it means that your levels stay even. Personally I would love to be able to get off of the birth control, but I can't even handle that at the moment.

I'll try the B-6 and I've also heard that Zinc is VERY helpful. (I'll try to find the link)

As for my sore throat, one doc did say it was yeast. I don't have it all of the time and they aren't very big or that visible. I have been tested for other things as well and it wasn't that, but they never tested for the bacteria that causes BV. Another thing it could be is from all the diet coke I drink (I know..get off of that..I haven't had any today) or it could be from the fact that my tummy is messed up and they had to remove more than half of my pancreas due to a rare disorder and my digestive enzymes are off. Maybe my kitty is just REALLY pissed off..LOL.

So, this is what I'm going to do. Finish my Flagyl, increase the probiotics I'm taking, add in the B-6 and continue with the zinc. I have a feeling that my poor kitty is Lactobacillis-free..lol. This would make sense because the lack of that can cause the overgrowth of both yeast and the BV bacterias.
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post Aug 23 2007, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(Khalia @ Aug 23 2007, 04:26 PM) *
Hello all. I’m a newbie here, but have a feeling I’m NOT new to BV. This may be a bit long so please forgive me.

I have been having what I THOUGHT were yeast infections that usually followed a bladder infection from hell. This would usually occur after I had some serious sex or about 4 weeks after I started being intimate with someone new I was dating.

I have been dating a man now for almost 2 months. Again, about 4 weeks after we were intimate I got a bladder infection, followed by a yeast infection from the antibiotics. I did Monistat and Boric Acid suppositories and it seemed as if the yeast went away. Well, then my bf started having itching and irritation on his dick and got very concerned that I gave him something (I didn’t do the Boric Acid until after he got the irritation). So, I went to the Dr because he wasn’t able to go that day and he would just go after me. The doc did a pelvic and said I didn’t look “yeasty” to her, but that she would check me. I guess I was worried about Chlamydia (sp?). She said that it didn’t look like that.

She came back in the room and said I had a bacterial infection and showed me the lab slip that showed the “clue cells” and little “rods”. I did some surfing and found that is how they know it is BV. She put me on 7 days of Flagyl and she also gave me a prescription for my bf. I am on day 4 and I’m not really sure if there is a big difference, but I’m having some white, clumpy discharge (like you would with yeast), My vagina and labial area feels a little raw, but I have had chronic issues with that.

My concern is brought out by my bf concern that it is more than just BV. My Dr tested for yeast and Chlamydia and it doesn’t appear to be anything else. I did find on the net that men CAN get infected from a woman with BV and it shows up as a UTI, inflamed prostate, and can cause skin irritation. I feel like my kitty is poisonous!!!

I am wondering if all these years I have actually had more problems with BV than with yeast. I just haven’t had the smell. Thank God for small miracles.

I have had chronic issues with lack of vaginal moisture, even when very excited. It is pretty embarrassing actually. My partner thinks that I’m not excited when I really am. I also get small vaginal and labial tears and have labial acne at my menses (dr said it is normal and called sebatious hyperplasia). I love sex and I love oral sex and don’t want to give it up, but I’m feeling very lost and confused.

My doc also had me start taking lactobacillus every day and said to keep taking it all of the time.

As of this morning I don’t know if my bf is feeling any better. We were going through a rough spot just before this and were on the mend and then this comes up. I think he feels like I gave him some horrible STD and his dick is going to fall off. On just the second day of taking the medicine he was talking about going to the doc because it wasn’t getting any better. I told him to go then, but he decided to wait the 3-4 days that the doc said to. This whole thing has thrown a huge wrench in our relationship and I’m very sad about this. I don’t want to give up sex or oral sex.

I have a lot of questions so I hope that some of you may have some answers for me. I guess I’m kind of thinking out loud here, but maybe it will trigger something for someone else.

When I was pg with my first child I had Group B strep, anyone here have that before and could that be what I’m having problems with? (I don’t think so since there was the “clue” cells present, but thought I would ask)

From what I have read it sounds like if your vagina has too high of a ph (alkaline?) then the lactobacillus bacteria doesn’t thrive the way it should. If there aren’t enough of them then it makes your vagina a giant Petri dish and you can grow yeast and the bacteria in the BV. I also read that you usually don’t have a yeast overgrowth with BV. It seems to me that there is some sort of connection, but maybe it is just the lack of the lactobacillus since that keeps both yeast and BV in check.

I am on BC pills, but for massive PMS and not birth control. The doc said that aggravates both yeast and BV, but I would be living in a nightmare from hell if I didn’t take them and no one would want to be around me at all. So, I’m kind of stuck there.

I sometimes wonder if my whole freaking body is just off balance and I need to follow some strange diet for awhile to get back in balance, if that is even possible.

I have issues at times with sore throats and small sores on the back of my throat. Dr said it was nothing, but I think it is either yeast or BV related since it happens when my vagina isn’t happy with me. Also, can this be because of the oral sex? I am assuming so. I saw in the thread here that you shouldn’t have oral sex if you have this issue. Why is that exactly and is there anything you can do to prevent problems so that you can still have oral sex?

I just want to have pain free, well lubricated, sex that doesn’t cause my bf to think his dick is going to fall off.

I’m not really sure where to go from here. My medication will be finished on Sunday and I’m going to continue taking the probiotic, but I don’t want to go overboard with stuff because I don’t want to throw my balance off the other way.

Am I correct that we want our pH levels in the vagina to be lower, or more acidic? I was thinking that made for more yeast.

Can a man have too high of a pH in his sperm and that triggers this? I joked with my bf that maybe he is allergic to me and maybe it is kind of the other way around.

OK, enough for now. I’m sure I’ll have more questions when you all answer. Thanks!


Did your problems start after you started birth control? We have a guy named Jason come to the board and I think I remember him saying that BV (MOST IF NOT ALL) Is hormone related. Try B-6 100mg once or twice daily with lots of water to see if that will help you. I've heard a lot of girls on this board has had great results doing this THANKS TO JASON smile.gif

Questions:
1. You want your vajayjay to be more acidic.lol
2.I also had and still sometimes have dry vagina. Sometimes if I get a little worked up before the hubby gets home it's ok but if i'm caught off guard then it's takes a lot longer to get wet and like you it's not because i'm not excited it just takes longer sometimes and I refuse to take more estrogen. If you want to, ask the doctor for vagifem (sp?). I heard from another lady that it helped her but be very careful if you take it.
3.As far as your throat, Do you get white balls that you sometimes cough up? Have you ever heard of tonsillitis? It might be that or hpv of the mouth but most don't turn into cancer.
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Khalia
post Aug 23 2007, 09:32 AM
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Sorry, I have some more thoughts....

I'm trying to read through all of the posts, but there are so many pages. Anyway, it appears that nutritional deficiency can be a trigger for this as well. I had gastric bypass almost 10 years ago and I know I should be taking more supplements. This just really enforces that. I already give myself B-12 shots every two weeks, but I was being a slacker and I won't do that anymore!!
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post Aug 23 2007, 09:09 AM
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Hello all. I’m a newbie here, but have a feeling I’m NOT new to BV. This may be a bit long so please forgive me.

I have been having what I THOUGHT were yeast infections that usually followed a bladder infection from hell. This would usually occur after I had some serious sex or about 4 weeks after I started being intimate with someone new I was dating.

I have been dating a man now for almost 2 months. Again, about 4 weeks after we were intimate I got a bladder infection, followed by a yeast infection from the antibiotics. I did Monistat and Boric Acid suppositories and it seemed as if the yeast went away. Well, then my bf started having itching and irritation on his dick and got very concerned that I gave him something (I didn’t do the Boric Acid until after he got the irritation). So, I went to the Dr because he wasn’t able to go that day and he would just go after me. The doc did a pelvic and said I didn’t look “yeasty” to her, but that she would check me. I guess I was worried about Chlamydia (sp?). She said that it didn’t look like that.

She came back in the room and said I had a bacterial infection and showed me the lab slip that showed the “clue cells” and little “rods”. I did some surfing and found that is how they know it is BV. She put me on 7 days of Flagyl and she also gave me a prescription for my bf. I am on day 4 and I’m not really sure if there is a big difference, but I’m having some white, clumpy discharge (like you would with yeast), My vagina and labial area feels a little raw, but I have had chronic issues with that.

My concern is brought out by my bf concern that it is more than just BV. My Dr tested for yeast and Chlamydia and it doesn’t appear to be anything else. I did find on the net that men CAN get infected from a woman with BV and it shows up as a UTI, inflamed prostate, and can cause skin irritation. I feel like my kitty is poisonous!!!

I am wondering if all these years I have actually had more problems with BV than with yeast. I just haven’t had the smell. Thank God for small miracles.

I have had chronic issues with lack of vaginal moisture, even when very excited. It is pretty embarrassing actually. My partner thinks that I’m not excited when I really am. I also get small vaginal and labial tears and have labial acne at my menses (dr said it is normal and called sebatious hyperplasia). I love sex and I love oral sex and don’t want to give it up, but I’m feeling very lost and confused.

My doc also had me start taking lactobacillus every day and said to keep taking it all of the time.

As of this morning I don’t know if my bf is feeling any better. We were going through a rough spot just before this and were on the mend and then this comes up. I think he feels like I gave him some horrible STD and his dick is going to fall off. On just the second day of taking the medicine he was talking about going to the doc because it wasn’t getting any better. I told him to go then, but he decided to wait the 3-4 days that the doc said to. This whole thing has thrown a huge wrench in our relationship and I’m very sad about this. I don’t want to give up sex or oral sex.

I have a lot of questions so I hope that some of you may have some answers for me. I guess I’m kind of thinking out loud here, but maybe it will trigger something for someone else.

When I was pg with my first child I had Group B strep, anyone here have that before and could that be what I’m having problems with? (I don’t think so since there was the “clue” cells present, but thought I would ask)

From what I have read it sounds like if your vagina has too high of a ph (alkaline?) then the lactobacillus bacteria doesn’t thrive the way it should. If there aren’t enough of them then it makes your vagina a giant Petri dish and you can grow yeast and the bacteria in the BV. I also read that you usually don’t have a yeast overgrowth with BV. It seems to me that there is some sort of connection, but maybe it is just the lack of the lactobacillus since that keeps both yeast and BV in check.

I am on BC pills, but for massive PMS and not birth control. The doc said that aggravates both yeast and BV, but I would be living in a nightmare from hell if I didn’t take them and no one would want to be around me at all. So, I’m kind of stuck there.

I sometimes wonder if my whole freaking body is just off balance and I need to follow some strange diet for awhile to get back in balance, if that is even possible.

I have issues at times with sore throats and small sores on the back of my throat. Dr said it was nothing, but I think it is either yeast or BV related since it happens when my vagina isn’t happy with me. Also, can this be because of the oral sex? I am assuming so. I saw in the thread here that you shouldn’t have oral sex if you have this issue. Why is that exactly and is there anything you can do to prevent problems so that you can still have oral sex?

I just want to have pain free, well lubricated, sex that doesn’t cause my bf to think his dick is going to fall off.

I’m not really sure where to go from here. My medication will be finished on Sunday and I’m going to continue taking the probiotic, but I don’t want to go overboard with stuff because I don’t want to throw my balance off the other way.

Am I correct that we want our pH levels in the vagina to be lower, or more acidic? I was thinking that made for more yeast.

Can a man have too high of a pH in his sperm and that triggers this? I joked with my bf that maybe he is allergic to me and maybe it is kind of the other way around.

OK, enough for now. I’m sure I’ll have more questions when you all answer. Thanks!





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post Aug 23 2007, 05:35 AM
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Oh Gawd! I know trhe pill started this horrible crap for me. I'm just glad It's gone "knock on wood". smile.gif
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post Aug 22 2007, 07:17 PM
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I've been battling with BV since the beginning of the year and had the same problem about a 1.5 years ago (for 1 year straight) going back and forth between yeast and BV. I went off of the pill (evil Ortho Tri Cyclen) which I had been on for about 5 years with no problems. After a few months of being healthy again I went on a low hormone pill with no problems. They started up again this year.
I have been following this thread off and on for 2 or 3 months now. I started taking B6 about a month ago and noticed a difference right from the start. I'm having a lot less discharge and odor. My main problem was discomfort and irritation which is gone *knocks on wood*. I definitely recommend taking 100 mg of B6 every day with a multivitamin.
Sometimes I wonder if the pill causes my vajayjay issues. My gyno swears that it's impossible.
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post Aug 22 2007, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE(SwtSimplicity @ Aug 22 2007, 03:36 PM) *
So I've been taking Natrol Acidophilus and Nature Made B-Complex for 1 week and a half. I've seen a total difference, I definantly have little to no discharge. But the thing is the smell hasn't gone away completely (it died down ALOT), I'm guessing it'll go away within a week or two. I don't know if I should increase my dosage of the B vitamin (if so which one: B-12 or B-6?) or just continue taking Acidophilus 3x daily along with the single dose of B-Complex.
Oh yeah ... has anyone had their bacterial infection clear up completely without using anti-biotics? What method did you use?


A few months ago I visited doctor stewart the writer of the V Book (I live in the Boston area), and she said that my PH is normal and I don't have BV or a yeast infection. She also noticed that there was no odor. But yet I still have symptoms. She did notice alot of discharge during my visit which she thought was abnormal. On the 24th I'm going to have a visit and I hope all is clear.


I have cleared up my infections with garlic and gauze..not a real speeding process...and pain in the ass, but, yes..it has worked for me.

Do you mind in sharing this...I'm just curious..how much are her office visits?

I take a complex of all the b's and I just assume the makers have balanced them together as they should have...but I do know b-6 and b12 work well together. I have a book written written by Phyliss balch (Prescription for nutrional healing)....she is a nutritional counselor..she suggests Acidophilus (three times a day) and vitamin b-complex 50-100 mg 3 times a day...and then add extra vitamin b6 50 mg 3 times a day.

I posted an article recently about some new bacterias that were found..and not identified before..Like 17 species..and they were not in healthy womens vagina's...well...some types of bacteria produce toxins, some damage cells, some make our bodies cells the targets of our own bodies defenses, of course some just "take over"

...but there are some species that deplete or rob nutrients and minerals from our cells that are needed by our body to preform its proper functions..such as make hormones... or have a healthy immune system.......

I'm just making a wild guess...I think thats what they are doing..stealing from our healthy cells...
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So I've been taking Natrol Acidophilus and Nature Made B-Complex for 1 week and a half. I've seen a total difference, I definantly have little to no discharge. But the thing is the smell hasn't gone away completely (it died down ALOT), I'm guessing it'll go away within a week or two. I don't know if I should increase my dosage of the B vitamin (if so which one: B-12 or B-6?) or just continue taking Acidophilus 3x daily along with the single dose of B-Complex.


Oh yeah ... has anyone had their bacterial infection clear up completely without using anti-biotics? What method did you use?


A few months ago I visited doctor stewart the writer of the V Book (I live in the Boston area), and she said that my PH is normal and I don't have BV or a yeast infection. She also noticed that there was no odor. But yet I still have symptoms. She did notice alot of discharge during my visit which she thought was abnormal. On the 24th I'm going to have a visit and I hope all is clear.
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post Aug 21 2007, 08:02 PM
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i don't know if this is a question that has been talked about before... but is it possible to have bv but have a normal vaginal ph? i used one of those vagisil ph testers twice and both times it said my ph was normal. right now (today) i feel ok, but some days i feel like it's there, the discharge and weird smell (i never had a fishy smell, just a weird smell.) but i don't know if it's just me being psycho since i've been dealing with this for so long or not. but so yeah, if i do have bv symptoms but my ph is normal what might that mean??


Well, according to our handy-dandy V Book, it says that no, it is not possible. If your ph is acidic where it should be, then you can't have BV. But it says that a yeast infection can live in acidic or basic environments.

But when did you test the ph? If you just did a vinegar douche, or if you just used boric acid, or Replens, or some other acidifier, then it would alter the reading. Make sure you are testing while you have the BV symptoms. When you are having discharge etc. But I used those strips just recently, and it said that I was a healthy low ph, and I was then tested for BV by my gyno, and she told me that I still had BV. So maybe I didn't put enough liquid on the strip. And I think you should use the strips that are specifically for testing vaginal ph, not the regular ones. The regular strips start at 4.5, which is too high anyway, so it doesn't really give you an accurate picture.

Or maybe your ph goes up and down, because the BV gets better and then gets worse etc. depending on your cycle. Menses makes the ph go up, more basic, and then it goes back to acidic again.
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i don't know if this is a question that has been talked about before... but is it possible to have bv but have a normal vaginal ph? i used one of those vagisil ph testers twice and both times it said my ph was normal. right now (today) i feel ok, but some days i feel like it's there, the discharge and weird smell (i never had a fishy smell, just a weird smell.) but i don't know if it's just me being psycho since i've been dealing with this for so long or not. but so yeah, if i do have bv symptoms but my ph is normal what might that mean??
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[quote name='witsend' date='Aug 20 2007, 10:01 PM' post='166544']
I don't post very often but have been battling with BV for two years after my c-section. Before that I am sure but it got real bad after my pregnancy. I went through IVF (lots of hormones and antibiotic treatment) I also have PCOS which brings up that PCOS can be linked to diabetes. People with diabetes are vunerable to reoccuring yeast infections/BV. Not sure if this is part of my problem but I guess it could be since I just had pancreatitis and had my gallbladder taken out in May.

I'm sorry to hear that witsend, I have a family member who has chronic pancreatits...and it is a very horrible and painful condition, I'm not trying to scare you but say put "your gaurd up" because I'm hearing the same story from your experience...she also is diabetic which occured after chronic pancreatis...and her gallbladder had burst.

Something funky is a brewing downstairs for me, and it's not looking pretty. I have been lazy, rebelliant, and to busy to take my probiotics, vitamins, or eat healthy...i went on a saurkraut eating frenzy at some german restuarant, got tipsy, hd sex (with a condom) had to go out of town on a trip that I was dreading to go on...then bam the funk was back the next day. I took the metro-gel. I have neverending refills the doctor wrote out to me, and now I have big glops of goop with blood, abdominal pain...and not to mention that my period only lasted 3 days which is not normal for "me". Even through dealing with all of my past stessors, my period was always on schedule, I even had them through out the time I nursed my son.

My doctor said that 7 days was normal....I have not done to much investigating this but from the little info I have read...says it's not...

I didn't start my period until I was 17..almost 18...which is also a sign of hyperthyroidism. I'm not gonna give up on finding a doctor who will respect my personal beliefs, and work with my hemopathic doctor.

I'm sorry that I believe spiritual, emotional, physical, genetics, and enviroment ALL play a factor in my health.


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I don't post very often but have been battling with BV for two years after my c-section. Before that I am sure but it got real bad after my pregnancy. I went through IVF (lots of hormones and antibiotic treatment) I also have PCOS which brings up that PCOS can be linked to diabetes. People with diabetes are vunerable to reoccuring yeast infections/BV. Not sure if this is part of my problem but I guess it could be since I just had pancreatitis and had my gallbladder taken out in May. Regardless of this I found this sight and tried the boric acid, hydrogen peroxide washes, acidopholis, yogurt, tea tree oil to no avail. The boric acid irritated me down there and the itching soon returned. The tea tree oil gave me yeasty chunky discharge. I use the acidopholis suppositories but not sure if they have helped much. I do find some relief with the hydrogen peroxide washes. I think they have cleared things up a bit but it always returns. What has helped me most is I got a bottle of Echinacea tincture from my chiropractor. On a whim and after reading on the internet that you can douche with this I decided to try a wash like a did with the hydrogen peroxide. I boiled a cup of water and poured a dropper full in and used a dropper thing to squirt up there and used my finger to get it in the crevices. I did once a day for a week straight. Using this has cleared me up better then anything else. Now I don't have such a heavy discharge. I do feel a bit itchy at night so now I tried some yeast cream that I got from the store and I will see if this works. I have also decided to try the folic acid as suggested. I have also been using some dewormer that I got from the barefoot herbalist. Haven't noticed any worms but I do tend towards constipation so what the hell. Can't stand this bv, driving me nuts and interfering with my sex life with hubby. ACK.
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Can you take 1600mg of Folic Acid or is that too much?



I'm not sure...I have been exploring alternative medicine here recently, and I am now under this impression...that just as it's not smart to self medicate ourselves with medicines not prescribed to us and not being observed under doctors care...it applies this way in alternative medicine too.... I might not need any folic acid..you might need 1600 mgs...

But, hemopathic (however that's spelled lol) doctors, holistic medicine whatever you choose to call it...they are much less expensive than doctors...and spend more than 5 minutes talking with you. Why? They are interested in getting you healthy and not how many patients they can get in and out of their office in a day.

I was advised to find a doctor, who understands that not everyone is happy being on anti-depressants, hormone therapy..or whatever have you..and have he/she will work in conjunction with your doctor.

I heard this tid-bit on the radio the other day. With all of our advanced medical research/drugs/equipment...of all the countries we are listed number 41 in regards with shorter life spans. What this says to me...lifesyle & diet....most important. Some country called Andora (not sure how it's spelled) sits between Spain and France I think...it is number 1.
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