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post Jun 5 2007, 05:00 PM
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My insomnia is back with full force, try reading about antimicrobial peptides without any sleep (4 days), and try to make sense of it. lol. I quit taking Xanax, as it wasn't helping any longer and I didn't want to become dependant on something that wasn't helping anyways.

We are stressed, which effects our immune system, because way to much lactic acid is dumped into our system, which breeds yeast, (possibly killing our good bacterias) which yeast take over whether it just be in our stomachs or vaginas or who knows where else. It sucks that not only do we have to deal with smelling like rotten fish, but now we have UTI's to worry about, and possibly some of us..IBS. So, when I get time I'm gonna start a blog for prevention of all of these...plus vitamin deficiencies that all "link" to these disorders.


Stress does not help you one iota when you are feeling sick. Stress exacerbates an already bad situation. I went to the healthfood store - again. (I feel like I live there. And live on this board!) And I told a salesman that I am battling an infection, and I feel crappy and frustrated. He handed me a bottle of supplements, it said 'promotes relaxation' on the label, and I said to him, what are you giving me these for? I need something to kill infections, not make me sleep. And told me to just try it, it will help with the anxiety of feeling sick.

What he should have done was warn me that they would work extremely well. It's called L-Theanine. It's an amino acid. It's the relaxing component of Green Tea. But without the caffeine. I wasn't going to mention it to anyone, because even though I understand how it works, I don't want people to take the wrong amount. The capsules I have are 200 mg (milligrams) and it is way too much for me. I bought it, took one capsule of it, and then took one cap the next day, and felt great. I almost FORGOT that I even had the infection. I stopped having panic attacks. I don't know if will have the same beneficial effect on anyone else here, but it is worth trying. I was so upset about the BV, it was like a downward spiral, I was feeling more and more depressed everyday. And then this supplement just stopped it cold. I have been taking it every morning with my first meal of the day. Or at lunch time, if I forget. I've been taking it for a week and a half. The first two days made me feel way too happy. I was a bit wary. I mean, you want to feel normal, not feel like you are in Disneyland. So I opened up the caps last week, and split the powder into 5 parts. So that is 200 mg divided by 6 = 40 mg. And that is what I am taking every day. It's a pain to separate the powder like that, but I don't want to go shopping again and look around for a 40 mg cap.
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post Jun 5 2007, 04:24 PM
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just to simplify it for you: soy has estrogen in it basically. plant estrogen. i don't eat any meat so i use seitan and soy protein powder--protein but no fat. just remember not to od on the soy because too much estrogen isn't good for anyone. i get about 24 grams of protein a day from soy and that agrees with me but if you're concerned, ask your doctor.

Thanks Cinderflower, you take supplements? I read an article that a doctor had written, basically saying stear clear of supplements from soy, that it can be dangerous. I'm sorry, I do not remember the link, I will try and track it down for you.

Do you think that your bv is caused from hormonal issues or not? Does yours come back every month or how often?

Are you a lacto-vegan or total vegan?


Yeah, but I just started a couple of months ago. I was having some complicated health issues (not healing, not responding to any antibiotics, etc.) and my pre-albumin wasn't below normal, but it was eighteen, which is the lowest amount for normal. I upped it to twenty in about a month with extra seitan (about eighty grams of protein a day) and Naturade soy protein booster and then Wild Oats Food Origins soy protein powder and had great results. Unfortunately, this had nothing to do with bv. Now I'm slightly embarrassed because I've had bv exactly twice in my life and one yeast infection and i'm 49. Obviously, my estrogen needs are going to be different than almost all the rest of you; I think I just saw "soy" last night and went berserk because I had such a good experience with it. Lots of people have already approached me about the dangers of soy supplements, but I think (I hope, anyway) that most of the problems come from overdoing it and what results is the same thing as too much estrogen: clots, strokes, breast cancer, ad nauseam. I like tofu but I haven't used it a lot because it's so high in fat. I'm a lacto-vegan: eggs (protein) but I never drink milk. I do eat cheese made from milk and I practically live on Mountain High plain nonfat yogurt.

My shamefully low experience with bv/yeast infections was directly related to being on extremely strong IV antibiotics for twelve weeks. It could very well be that I'm simply lucky in that area and it has absolutely nothing to do with the way I live. I took clindamycin orally and also used the cream, and just monistat for the yeast. When I got out of the hospital, I followed up with yogurt in both ends. I also use liquid acidophilus if I've had a particularly heavy encounter with antibiotics.

Lucky for me I'm not lactose intolerant or allergic to gluten. I recommend trying to stay away from benzos if at all possible (xanax, valium, etc.) because they're crappy drugs. I stopped drinking any alcohol at all four years ago, quit smoking cigarettes in 1989, and my recreational drug use ceased circa 1986. The only thing I take is about 3-5,000 mg of vitamin C, cranberry pills if I think they're necessary for urine ph, and 40 mg. of Cymbalta since last September. I did take St. John's wort, valerian root and Kava Kava (not all at once, ha!) when I was waiting for the Cymbalta to kick in and they all work well enough for relaxation. Kava Kava is particularly good if you can get past the taste and the hassle of straining it. There are gelcaps available but they aren't nearly as effective as powdered root. And this is going to sound really stupid, but drinking eighty oz. of water a day does incredible things. You live in the bathroom of course, but just try it sometime for about a week if you can. You'll be pleasantly surprised.

Oh yeah, I do drink coffee in the morning, shoot up heroin and worship the devil. Well, okay. Not the last two.


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post Jun 5 2007, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(neverending @ Jun 5 2007, 09:57 AM) *
Hun, I'm sorry to be the first to say but doctors could care less as long as you keep coming back. I kept asking my doctor for estrogen but he kept denying it but if I asked for something else like metrogel or something then yeah he would give me that all day long. They don't care! I have no faith in doctors PERIOD!


Your preaching to the choir honey! wink.gif
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post Jun 5 2007, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(lori @ Jun 5 2007, 11:46 AM) *
But isn't lactic acid a good thing? I thought that was one of the things that lactobacillus produced in the vaginal flora (along with HP) that keeps the bad bacteria in check.


Lactic acid is good when bacteria produce it in our vagina's, but bad, when high amounts are produced and released in our blood stream.
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post Jun 5 2007, 12:44 PM
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HI...I'm 24 and have had bv for about three years and have tried everything. I went to the gyno and she gave me everything there is to treat bv..some of the meds were Clindesse, Gynazole, Relegard, Vandazole. I also tried the metallic tasting pill which made me feel so sick! A couple of the meds worked but only for a couple weeks and then the bv came back. I got tested for several stds and all came back negative(of course! I've only had sex with one man). My husband has been so understanding of the situation and I am very thankful for that. Having this is horrible! I know it isn't because of sex or his sperm, because we've gone several months without sex and it would always come back! I quit going to the gyno because I was getting no positive results.

I have been lurking around in the message boards hoping to find some advice to get rid of my BV. I started taking Acidophilus orally and daily. Shortly after, I started the yogurt/acidophilus treatment and using that vaginally. I tried that for about two weeks and nothing! It didn't work! I was upset because I read on so many boards that this worked for lots of women. I was giving up hope, but then I learned about the Boric Acid treatment and a hydrogen peroxide treatment. I decided to try the boric acid treatment. I went to a local grocery store and bought the boric acid in powder form. Then, I went to a vitamin store and bought empty gel size 0 capsules. I filled them up about half way and inserted them vaginally. Boric Acid is toxic so they are not to be taken orally! It's recommended to take this for 7 days, but after 3 nights of taking this I started seeing results!! The discharge was gone! I had a little discharge but it was clear and did not smell at all..it looks to be natural. It's been about 2 weeks and it is still gone!! This is so great! My hubby and I are having sex and it still has not come back! I'll be posting this in several message boards and I hope some of you give it a try! Good luck! biggrin.gif
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post Jun 5 2007, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE(bvgirl @ Jun 5 2007, 09:06 AM) *
Hello..
All I can say about the fact that you may have smelled a little bv maybe you need to allow more than two weeks for your body to respond to it fully & if you smelled it after sex I suggest that you use the yeast arrest afterwards. I believe I remembered reading about when you stated that the yeast arrest was working pretty fast(if I am not mistaken). When I first started on the yeast arrest it took only two doses before the smell disappeared but I continued to take it and I did smell a hint a small hint of bv a week into it but I continued taking the yeast arrest everyday on schedule. As far as any smell, the only smell I have is somewhat oniony from time to time but no bv smell. Some women may respond to it differently and on the directions it states that you may have to use it longer than suggested or at least wait until your initial use is completed then monitor how your smell is. Since it is not a cure it is just a process to just continue to monitor your progress. Also, as far as having sex while actively using the yeast arrest well it could irritate your partner if he comes in contact with it. While using the yeast arrest you will have a discharge throughout the day and so that discharge which contains boric acid (as you know )and can be an irritant can cause problems for him. That would be the only issue I would see with regards of having sex while actively on the yeast arrest. I dont know how effective condoms would be with the boric acid. you may want to research it. For me my honey is over in Iraq until October so I am not sexually active but I too need to research boric acid and condoms. Always good to be informed


thanks bvgirl. i plan to keep taking it anyway. the smell comes and goes and it's very very faint, not strong at all. and when i have sex i always wait until it's not really coming out of me anymore. i never do it right after i inserted one. he hasn't complained about it irritating him at all. i still have another 2 weeks until i'm done taking this for a month. i'll keep updating.

oh and when i do have sex i always insert the yeast arrest right after.
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post Jun 5 2007, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jun 5 2007, 05:15 AM) *
We are stressed, which effects our immune system, because way to much lactic acid is dumped into our system, which breeds yeast, (possibly killing our good bacterias) ...

But isn't lactic acid a good thing? I thought that was one of the things that lactobacillus produced in the vaginal flora (along with HP) that keeps the bad bacteria in check.


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post Jun 5 2007, 08:40 AM
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Hun, I'm sorry to be the first to say but doctors could care less as long as you keep coming back. I kept asking my doctor for estrogen but he kept denying it but if I asked for something else like metrogel or something then yeah he would give me that all day long. They don't care! I have no faith in doctors PERIOD!
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post Jun 5 2007, 08:13 AM
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My bv being caused by hormonal issues sounds correct because it does keep coming back each month right before my period. I even told my doctor that and they didnt suggest a estrogen problem
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post Jun 5 2007, 08:12 AM
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Just for your info guys: Jewels and I both tried Tindamax and it didn't help anymore than Flagyl did. I think it actually may have more side effects, too.

I wish soy helped...I have been vegetarian for 8 years now and I try to stay away from milk too so I have tons of soy in my diet. No help with my BV here.
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post Jun 5 2007, 06:49 AM
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QUOTE(anitsirhc @ Jun 4 2007, 09:12 PM) *
ok well i've been using the yeast arrest for 2 weeks now, i thought i was doing fine but yesterday and today i feel like i kind of smell a little bv smell. but it's not the same bv smell i've always had, just kind of a little tiny bit sour smell. but i'm getting my period this week (it's my week off from my bc pills.) so maybe that has something to do with it. i've been taking the fem dophilus with it.

bvgirl, did the yeast arrest have a smell to it at all when you used it?

well anyway i'm going to be using the yeast arrest for 2 more weeks and hope it stays away. i've had sex a few times so maybe that's not a good idea to do that while on the yeast arrest and that's why i smell a little? it's not like oh my god i stink smell, i just smell the discharge sometimes and i've noticed it smells a little bit. so i'll slow down the sex part a little too.

i've been trying to keep up with all your talk about strep b and a and stuff like that but it's too confusing for me to understand! i tried doing a little research on it myself and i didn't get much out of it.


Hello..
All I can say about the fact that you may have smelled a little bv maybe you need to allow more than two weeks for your body to respond to it fully & if you smelled it after sex I suggest that you use the yeast arrest afterwards. I believe I remembered reading about when you stated that the yeast arrest was working pretty fast(if I am not mistaken). When I first started on the yeast arrest it took only two doses before the smell disappeared but I continued to take it and I did smell a hint a small hint of bv a week into it but I continued taking the yeast arrest everyday on schedule. As far as any smell, the only smell I have is somewhat oniony from time to time but no bv smell. Some women may respond to it differently and on the directions it states that you may have to use it longer than suggested or at least wait until your initial use is completed then monitor how your smell is. Since it is not a cure it is just a process to just continue to monitor your progress. Also, as far as having sex while actively using the yeast arrest well it could irritate your partner if he comes in contact with it. While using the yeast arrest you will have a discharge throughout the day and so that discharge which contains boric acid (as you know )and can be an irritant can cause problems for him. That would be the only issue I would see with regards of having sex while actively on the yeast arrest. I dont know how effective condoms would be with the boric acid. you may want to research it. For me my honey is over in Iraq until October so I am not sexually active but I too need to research boric acid and condoms. Always good to be informed


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post Jun 5 2007, 05:58 AM
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My insomnia is back with full force, try reading about antimicrobial peptides without any sleep (4 days), and try to make sense of it. lol. I quit taking Xanax, as it wasn't helping any longer and I didn't want to become dependant on something that wasn't helping anyways.

We are stressed, which effects our immune system, because way to much lactic acid is dumped into our system, which breeds yeast, (possibly killing our good bacterias) which yeast take over whether it just be in our stomachs or vaginas or who knows where else. It sucks that not only do we have to deal with smelling like rotten fish, but now we have UTI's to worry about, and possibly some of us..IBS. So, when I get time I'm gonna start a blog for prevention of all of these...plus vitamin deficiencies that all "link" to these disorders.

But this is just my opinion, which makes a whole hell of a lot of sense to me.

I thought I was doing something by taking 500 mg of vitamin C....ummm, it is suggested for stressed out females to take 3,000-10,000 mg daily.


But as I have mentioned earlier, you have to talk to your doctor. Because certain vitamins can react with certain meds, (even some foods) and stop absorbtion, and who knows whatever else. If you have other health issues please discuss with your doctor.

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post Jun 5 2007, 03:14 AM
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[quote name='cinderflower' date='Jun 4 2007, 11:19 PM' post='156091']
. . . and well, I'm confused as hell, because it said that soy can be bad because it has a property in it that "poses itself as estrogen and links with what estrogen should"??? I'm gonna check into that a little more. I just thought I would mention it because I think some of us drink soy milk and eat soy......

just to simplify it for you: soy has estrogen in it basically. plant estrogen. i don't eat any meat so i use seitan and soy protein powder--protein but no fat. just remember not to od on the soy because too much estrogen isn't good for anyone. i get about 24 grams of protein a day from soy and that agrees with me but if you're concerned, ask your doctor.

Thanks Cinderflower, you take supplements? I read an article that a doctor had written, basically saying stear clear of supplements from soy, that it can be dangerous. I'm sorry, I do not remember the link, I will try and track it down for you.

Do you think that your bv is caused from hormonal issues or not? Does yours come back every month or how often?

Are you a lacto-vegan or total vegan?
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post Jun 5 2007, 01:41 AM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jun 4 2007, 08:49 PM) *
Does everyone already know hat tindamax was approved by the fda (may 24, 2007?) for treatment of bv. This is not a new drug, it is already prescribed for other aliments. I only read the one article, according the studies success rate...I'm not sure why they "approved" it. But at least it is another option.....

Thanks for this info. arj75! This is definitely useful news for everyone:

FDA Approves Tindamax® For Bacterial Vaginosis


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post Jun 4 2007, 10:02 PM
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. . . and well, I'm confused as hell, because it said that soy can be bad because it has a property in it that "poses itself as estrogen and links with what estrogen should"??? I'm gonna check into that a little more. I just thought I would mention it because I think some of us drink soy milk and eat soy......

just to simplify it for you: soy has estrogen in it basically. plant estrogen. i don't eat any meat so i use seitan and soy protein powder--protein but no fat. just remember not to od on the soy because too much estrogen isn't good for anyone. i get about 24 grams of protein a day from soy and that agrees with me but if you're concerned, ask your doctor.

e.coli is very common because it's in everyone's digestive tract, you just don't want it in your vagina or urinary tract. the old caveats really are the best: cotton crotch panties, be careful to air yourself out if you wear tight-fitting nylon clothing, wipe front to back, pee right before you have sex if possible, and be extremely clean if you have anal sex (i.e. never insert anything from anus to vagina without washing it first or at least changing the condom). cranberry juice or pills work wonders for uti's, plain active culture yogurt really does work when you apply it vaginally (it's not just for breakfast anymore), and it's the anaerobic (growing without oxygen) bacteria that's evil.


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post Jun 4 2007, 09:32 PM
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Does everyone already know hat tindamax was approved by the fda (may 24, 2007?) for treatment of bv. This is not a new drug, it is already prescribed for other aliments. I only read the one article, according the studies success rate...I'm not sure why they "approved" it. But at least it is another option.....
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post Jun 4 2007, 07:55 PM
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ok well i've been using the yeast arrest for 2 weeks now, i thought i was doing fine but yesterday and today i feel like i kind of smell a little bv smell. but it's not the same bv smell i've always had, just kind of a little tiny bit sour smell. but i'm getting my period this week (it's my week off from my bc pills.) so maybe that has something to do with it. i've been taking the fem dophilus with it.

bvgirl, did the yeast arrest have a smell to it at all when you used it?

well anyway i'm going to be using the yeast arrest for 2 more weeks and hope it stays away. i've had sex a few times so maybe that's not a good idea to do that while on the yeast arrest and that's why i smell a little? it's not like oh my god i stink smell, i just smell the discharge sometimes and i've noticed it smells a little bit. so i'll slow down the sex part a little too.

i've been trying to keep up with all your talk about strep b and a and stuff like that but it's too confusing for me to understand! i tried doing a little research on it myself and i didn't get much out of it.
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post Jun 4 2007, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jun 4 2007, 07:02 PM) *
Hey everyone,

I was hoping to share my culture results with you all but.... I'm still waiting for them them to return my phone call.



You may have to call them. I, personally, can't wait to see what it comes back with. I didn't expect e. coli in my culture, but of course, it didn't surprise me either.
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post Jun 4 2007, 05:45 PM
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Hey everyone,

I was hoping to share my culture results with you all but.... I'm still waiting for them them to return my phone call.

I do know that I'm not stinking. I'll start my period here in another week or so, hopefully with no stinch afterwards. I forgot to say that my vinegar baths...he said very cold water..and stay in for one minute...this might just be for my cervix being inflamed though. Good news is no burning yeast infection yet..knocking on wood.

I did some more reading about the bodies oxygen levels, and healing, rebuilding vaginal skin cells that are roting away inside..... Our vaginal walls need rebuilt too. I'm gonna try the products I brought up before about improving oxygenation. Worth a shot.

I also started to investigate the link as why african american women are higher at risk(douche to much) , while asian women are the lowest for bv. (They eat a lot of soy) I came across some interesting information about soybeans and soy supplements...and well, I'm confused as hell, because it said that soy can be bad because it has a property in it that "poses itself as estrogen and links with what estrogen should"??? I'm gonna check into that a little more. I just thought I would mention it because I think some of us drink soy milk and eat soy......

My baby had bloodwork done today. The doctor is checking just to be sure I explained to her about the fact that I didn't get to the hospital..and had bv most of my prenantcy..but was never treated for it... She did say that if he had a bacterial infection from strep b that he would be way sicker. I guess she is just checking for my own sanity, but I'm glad she is.

I also read "The yeast connection" and in that article a doctor explains his "theory" of how to check cultures..and moniter the progress of each bacteria..I think monthly? I'm sure that can get pretty damn expensive because he said that most insurance companies don't want to pay for that. No surprise there. I wish he would have mentioned his success rate with his patients by doing that. I'd like to know what my odds are before I would go that route.


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post Jun 4 2007, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE(help4bv @ Jun 4 2007, 03:34 PM) *
I FOUND A GREAT PRODUCT FOR BV.

Hi Everyone: I just wanted to let you all know that I came across a probiotic that seems to really work (I noticed a difference almost immediately). It is called Fem Dophilus and it is made by Jarrow.

Thanks help4bv! Good to see that someone else is having good results with Fem-dophilus.


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