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post Jun 26 2009, 05:28 PM
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Agyness Deyn nekkid (NSFW)!

On padded bras- I would never judge anyone for wearing one, but I'm with you, Strongirl. I usually wear a little triangle bra for a bit of shape and coverage, but I like it when the shape is natural and I definitely don't mind when my nipples show. Padded or push-up bras just don't go with my personal style. That said, I wore them in high school because I was way more self-conscious then and got made fun of occasionally.

Karategirl, I totally agree with you on tops squashing and flattening our chests. That's why I almost never wear tight tops. I don't wear baggy shirts, either, I just like ones that are slightly loose and hang well. I love wearing silk or rayon dresses that aren't too structured or tight on top but that have a tie or belt at the waist. For shirts, I usually wear a loose black tank top or camisole with a cardigan. Shirts are a major source of frustration for me- even though I have found a things that work for me, I still often feel like I have pants or skirts that I really want to wear, and no shirt that I really feel great in.
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post Jun 26 2009, 01:27 PM
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hey strongirl, no offense taken at all! I know exactly what you're saying. I used to be dead set against wearing padded bras for that exact reason. But for me a huge thing is the hassle of trying to get shirts and dresses to fit me. Wearing a padded bra allows me to buy a wider range of clothing, and helps me wear dresses that otherwise would be waaayy too big on top when they fit on the bottom. I also wear a killer push-up bra for certain outfits on "date nights," just because, hey, I have nice little titties, and I wanna show them off. Girls with a c-cup can wear push-ups that give them amazing cleavage, and not feel like they are "hiding" their size, why can't I (even if I don't quite get cleavage lol)?

Also, non-padded bras get all wrinkly on my boobs because I'm not big enough to fully fill out an a-cup, so if there's at least a light lining, the cup stays round and it doesn't matter that the bra doesn't fit quite right. One day when I'm not such a cheap ass I'll go out the to expensive stores where the mysterious 36AA size may in fact exist, but until then, I can get nice looking bras for $11 out of the sale bins at la senza and victoria's secret.

Kera bear, I would go over to that board and raise some hell for them calling your story "heartbreaking!" I think I'll have to head over there and see what's up...
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post Jun 26 2009, 06:00 AM
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QUOTE(strongirl @ Jun 25 2009, 11:49 AM) *
But...doesn't it seem like wearing a padded bra is an acknowledgment of the perspective that small breasts are somehow inferior and doesn't it by definition reinforce that perspective by publicly disguising the numbers of small-breasted women there really are in the world?


Hey strongirl, I'm so glad you feel comfy speaking your mind. Okay, I am stepping right up and publicly acknowledging my hypocrisy. And this is something I have kind of struggled with personally. Yes, I do agree that we shouldn't feel the need for padding, that by doing so we ARE disguising our numbers. Yet...I do feel it makes me look a little better, just as maybe a woman with large breasts feels more "put together" when she wears a supportive bra. I wear VERY lightly padded bras--"lined" is more the term. I deliberately don't wear actual padding for the reason you state. BUT I notice that every top squashes/disguises the little shape I do have, so I feel like wearing a little lining is more like making me look the way I really am, as well as disguising the Nips from Hell. If it's really hot out or the top is one that is easier to wear braless, I'll do that, though, and to hell with what anyone thinks. I admit that's not very often, though. (I do wish it was hotter where I lived...If so I might just ditch all my bras!)

Oh, and I am totally down with breast massage, esp. if my hot hubby does it. I don't even care if it has any health benefits. wink.gif
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KeraBear
post Jun 25 2009, 09:27 AM
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Check it out. I came across this blog which talks about our group I was reading with interest and then i saw that they quoted ME! Apparantly, my story is "friggin’ heartbreaking." Also quoted was posts by Erica and Aithinne to illustrate the way you all were like big sisters to me (which is pretty accurate. Thanks again!). All in all, I think the writer conveyed a strong sense of what the group is all about. A good, positive article.

I wonder where they found that picture of me, though. j/k wink.gif

And strongirl, yes, your points are certainly valid. Fo' sho!

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post Jun 25 2009, 06:49 AM
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OK, on the padded bra thing.

I've been thinking about this and I didn't want to say anything because I don't want anyone to feel attacked or criticized and I truly believe people should be able to do whatever the hell they want with their own bodies without social censure from others. (Remember, I'm even the one who defended people who get implants.) Also, if any of you were my friends in physical life and you were always wearing a padded bra, I would consider it such a minor thing and I would never say anything unkind or critical to you about it, it would just be a non-issue in our friendship.

But...doesn't it seem like wearing a padded bra is an acknowledgment of the perspective that small breasts are somehow inferior and doesn't it by definition reinforce that perspective by publicly disguising the numbers of small-breasted women there really are in the world?

I'm not saying that any of you individually do not have valid reasons for doing so, or that you should stop. But even so, I think my points above are valid.
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post Jun 24 2009, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE(crinoline @ Apr 17 2009, 08:53 AM) *
those "talent" shows always grate on me with the smug, unqualified judges.

Aithinne - I actually go braless quite a lot. I do live on the Gulf Coast, so it's really hot down here. I don't ever feel that I look skanky or inappropriate, either. I don't go braless in sheer or clingy knit tops, that's too revealing for me. I like woven tops with a little structure and an interesting neckline. One of the best things about being small chested is that we can get away with more revealing looks than our larger sisters without looking inappropriate. For instance, backless looks are fab for smallies because we don't need support. If you go to a bar in a top that looks deceivingly demure from the front, then you turn around and it's all skin, I guarantee that men will notice you.

pleats, ruffles, and other embellishments on the bust can also make your braless state a little less conspicuous, because they provide some nip coverage.


I live on the GC,too!!! *waves*

I do go braless from time to time. Sometimes I'm just too lazy to bother.
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post Jun 24 2009, 09:24 PM
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...but noticeable growth? Man, everyone would be doing it!
Good point Angie! What was I thinking?!?!?


Well, it could still be a good idea. some of the stuff I read indicated that regular massage helped to stimulate blood flow in and out of the breast, preventing build up of toxins that can happen if you wear a tight/underwire bra. So it should help keep things healthy, perky and possibly reduce the risk of breast cancer. It could be completely made-up, but it seems fairly realistic. and if you wear a padded bra all day like I do, those poor boobies can feel pretty suffocated by the end of the day!

I forgot to chime in Starship and agree your mom's comments were quite uncalled-for. My mom used to mention my weight when I first gained my freshman 15 after moving out. I pointed it out once, and she didn't even know why she did it! More to make an observation than to pass a judgement, I guess, but she stopped after that. Sometimes I think when their kids are older, moms start to feel like they aren't as much a part of their kids lives anymore, so they jump in and meddle with whatever seems obvious (boyfirends, physical appearance) without noticing that it's actually hurtful.
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post Jun 24 2009, 09:01 PM
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I'm with KarateGrrl on the the upper body workouts as we did discuss a few months back. I also really like my "muscle cleavage" and it sure photographs well in low-cut tops! And the other advantages - greater strength, stronger core, that overall toned look - are all reasons to love and enjoy your body, similar to the things posted recently by folks who do belly dancing.

You should confront your mom, Starship. Shit, I've bitched out my mom over tons of stuff she didn't even deserve, as my son does to me, and everybody still loves everybody. If you can't lash out at your own mom and have her still love you, who the heck can you lash out at? And in your case, it is totally legit.
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post Jun 24 2009, 11:43 AM
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I've posted quite a bit here about workouts, particularly pecs, so I won't repeat. But, I did want to say I've seen a huge difference in how much better my chest looks from building up my chest muscles. No, it doesnt' make my breasts any larger, but it makes the whole area look nice and toned, and I have this nice little line running down the middle of my chest that is almost like "cleavage," if you will. the whole area looks better to the point where I think people notice the toned-ness and not the lack of boobage. I highly recommend it. (And thanks to hubby for showing me the exercises that really did the trick.)

For me, exercises using the cable machine (I think they're called "cable crossovers") was what created that little cleavage line. I recommend a couple of sessions with a personal trainer or consulting some fitness books to learn proper form with any workout, at least to get started.

Sessilee is gorgeous--thanks for sharing, starship! (And no offense, but could I come over and give your mom a slap!?) blink.gif
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post Jun 23 2009, 03:29 PM
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...but noticeable growth? Man, everyone would be doing it!
Good point Angie! What was I thinking?!?!?


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post Jun 23 2009, 08:35 AM
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That's good to know Angie.


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post Jun 23 2009, 07:41 AM
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I've done that too, though just as a side-effect from doing a lot of upper body strengthening at work, not intentionally. I ended up with them being a little perkier, and maybe sticking out a bit more, but since everything else got bigger too - my shoulders, back, and arms - my breasts themselves didn't look any bigger. In the last 2 years I've gone from 34A to 36A, so I don't know if that would be the result you're looking for. BUT it did make me feel like my upper and lower body are now more proportional to eachother. Having wider shoulders helped create more of an hourglass look, and helped to fill in some shirts that were too big in the boob area before (even if it wasn't my boobs that were actually filling them in!).

It won't make you lose your boobs though - you can't target stomach fat with sit-ups, so you can't target boob fat with pec excercises either. Burning fat is, as far as I know, always a whole-body kinda thing.
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post Jun 23 2009, 07:26 AM
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Has anyone tried pectoral exercises? I'm wondering if they make the breasts appear larger, or does burning the fat make them smaller while gaining muscle? Will it at least make the girls a little "perkier"?


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post Jun 22 2009, 08:51 PM
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Good to know I am not crazy, ailurophile. It's not like guys are taking out the tape measure every time they look at us. They just know when something looks good. Honestly, when you wear differently fitted clothes you'll make your body shape look different, so no one gets confused by a little variation here and there. And oh yes, things are different in Europe. In many different ways, though. Mostly it just seems to be a greater comfort and acceptance of the human body in general.

When I was 21 or so I attempted a few things, homemade herbal concoctions rubbed onto the chest area, thought about buying that herbal crap they flog in women's magazines, etc. I didn't try very hard, but the consistent evidence seemed to be that it was a load of hooey. The herbal stuff just makes you retain water, so your boobs look bigger temporarily. And some of it gave me dizzy spells. Not worth $50 a bottle, that's for sure! I imagine sesame seed oil would make them look nice and purty, and massaging them is supposed to be good for health and perkiness, but noticeable growth? Man, everyone would be doing it!

Starship, there are so many beautiful small celebrities out there! My sweetie is in love with Kiera Knightly (don't know if I have her name spelled right lol) and I always thought Gwen Stefani and Nicole Kidman rocked the small boobies rather beautifully.
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post Jun 22 2009, 05:11 PM
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Thanx Starship! She is beautiful. But how come I don't look that sexy topless??? Need to work on my self esteem I guess.

Has anyone heard of applying sesame seed oil into your breasts to increase size and/or firmness? Or massaging breasts to enlarge them? I've read many articles on both. Since sesame oil contains calcium, protein, iron and phosphorous, it is supposed to be effective if applied twice a day. Massaging twice a day is also said to increase size. I know it sounds ridiculous and my gyno doc said he knows of nothing other than surgical implants that can change the size or shape of breasts. It's just that I've seen so many articles on it. The only discrepancy I've read is that you have to do it at least one month. Others have said 6 months to a year. I know I'm a dork but I am on my ninth week and ....nothing. They say to be patient. If I could reach the size of my padded bra, I'd be thrilled. I would at least look feminine.

Regarding padded bras ...
KeraBear and Angie21: I too wear a padded bra. It is quite thick. I do go to the gym bra-less however. Big difference. I cannot find a comfortable bra with less padding. I bought one with less and one without and they are incredibly uncomfortable.
Anyway- -I work with two guys who go to my gym and they've seen me both ways. They never seemed notice and do not look to my chest when talking to me at the gym or work. Both have said I am the hottest girl there. Awww.... These guys are from Europe. Maybe things are different there.
I also asked my boyfriend, once I got to know him better, what he thought when he first went into my bra and realized how small I actually was. I wanted to know if he was surprised, if he could tell it was padding, if he felt it was false advertising, etc. He said that he "honestly didn't notice".


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post Jun 22 2009, 03:36 PM
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Why does my mother feel the need to announce that i 'have no boobs'...at a family gathering....3x !!1! Ive never know a person so obsessed with breast size in my life. well, there is me, but at least i have the decency to do it in the privacy of err here. psht.

Has anyone mentioned Sessilee before? http://sessileelopez.blogspot.com/
she doesnt look that small in quite a lot of pics but she definately is:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3407/350343...10d1666.jpg?v=0
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B0W4wp2J33k/SQD6...ue+Italia02.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/306134..._5ca624a225.jpg
Beautiful.
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post Jun 22 2009, 06:33 AM
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Persephone3. welcome!! I couldn't agree more with your comments.

"How many men that you have truly fallen in love with have been perfect?"

Good point.
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post Jun 19 2009, 08:38 PM
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Hey Girls! I'm new here and generally more of a lurker, but I felt so strongly about some of your posts I had to reply. I too have felt the insecurity of not 'measuring up', but I find that as I get older it does not seem to matter as much. I don't believe there will ever be a time that I feel as confident as I should be. After all, it is confidence that is truly sexy. Many men would also agree with that.

I've lurked on many message boards and I find it disturbing that so many people have forgotten the true function of breasts. There was one example where a woman at college level was shocked that a woman's breasts were for breastfeeding, and she disgustingly compared them to a cow's udder. How does this happen? The author of the article explained that breasts are so hidden, that they have become sexualized. Therefore the only breasts that are seen by many men are through pornos. Is this a true representation?

I have also found that through many of these message boards that there are many men who actually LIKE small breasts. And even if they prefer large, they don't mind small. This has often bothered me because I don't want guys to 'mind' me, but to 'DESIRE' me. But ask yourself this: How many men. that you have truly fallen in love with have been perfect? They have their own insecurities too, and probably wonder about the 'first time'.

BTW - I've also heard a lot of negative comments about women with large breasts. I would not choose to feel better about myself at the expense of someone else. Can't we all be beautiful?
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post Jun 19 2009, 06:29 AM
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strongirl, yes beautiful story--thank you so much for sharing. It brought up memories of a few times I've been in trance dance/freestyle barefoot boogie circles and seen the sexiest women with yes, the sexiest bellies! CONFIDENCE goes a long way as far as being "beautiful"--something I admit I really should keep in mind more often!

I was reading an article in a back issue of Vogue about French celebrity Lou Doillon (whom we've discussed here) and she had an interesting take on having appeared in girlie calendars and French Playboy. She said that although she has "no tits" (her words) she feels it is like a "see, yeah, I am sexy after all, so there!" sort of thing. Though I personally wouldn't justify my sexiness based on such sort of "credentials," I can kind of see her point from a "fuck you" stance.

KeraBear, I agree with the other ladies here--it DOES get better as you get older! Part of it for me was an increased ability to choose whom I surround myself with in work and social circles, whereas at school, you're kind of all flung together according to age, nothing else. Hang in there!!!!!
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post Jun 18 2009, 07:04 PM
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Strong girl, beautiful story!

Kera, I know how you feel. I used to worry about that all the time. But honestly, it's not a big deal, and unless you're pretending to be a size C, I doubt the guy will even notice! I am of a slightly different opinion than everyone else. I wear a padded bra all the time, and I used to think it would be noticeable how much smaller I am without it, but it's never been a problem. Most girls, not just smaller girls, wear at least light padding (just look at what the most common bra types are at lingere stores!) if for no other reason, than to keep their nipples from being as obvious. I am completely unashamed and unembarrased about it, I don't feel I'm hiding anything or putting up "false advertising." Most guys I know are well aware that girls put their good bras on when they're trying to get a guy's attention. And honestly, if he complains about the fact that he's actually getting to see you partly naked, he's not only an asshole, he's pretty stupid. And as far as I know, guys don't usually complain.

If we had to worry about "false advertising" just because of clothing, we'd all be in trouble. Imagine how guys feel, no one has a clue about their shape or size until they take their pants off!
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